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Thread: The death of Teachers, Guides, and Gate Keepers: The Impact of the Internet on Perspective

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    The death of Teachers, Guides, and Gate Keepers: The Impact of the Internet on Perspective

    While walking back to my car to go home today, I thunk the biggest of thoughts: SJWs, the Alt Right, stupid people on facebook and bad game reviewers and writers all come from the same place: the internet removing knowledge curators.

    Similarly to how translating the Bible to English, then making it easily available with the printing press eventually producing snake handlers and Pentecostals, we are living in an period where anyone can read anything and come up with whatever dumb shit they want. In the same way someone read Corinthians and came away with the idea that women should only wear skirts and dresses (even though a better learned mind will know that Corinthians was written in the context of the followers of Corinth, and very little of the directions within are actually intended as rules of the faith), a 14 year old can read Judith H. Katz's 1978 book White Awareness: Handbook for Anti-Racism Training and come away thinking that Racism = Prejudiced + Power is the only and universally accepted definition of racism.

    Misfortunately, I can't think of this ever ending well. WW2 partly happened because the Nazi's were far behind socially and progressively and then had a surge of technology. They were not mature enough for the industry that they brought to bare in the war.

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    There's an attitude of 'why should I need to learn what all these white men did?' to which the answer is 'political correctness isn't an excuse for willful cultural ignorance'.
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    I'm sure whatever Yeller wrote is fascinating!

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    I get some backlash for this from some of the really hardcore progressives I know (and, likewise, from the hard libertarians - "what do you need university for, you can just go to a library and save yourself 150,000$!") but, it is just not the fucking same. I'm in a weird place - I am 1000% going into my education with the full knowledge that a degree in Sociology is useless for job placement. In fact, what I want to do ("Teach about the Internet in an society/anthropological way") welcomes all this extra BS that comes with everyone having a voice. I love the fact that we have no curation right now, and I maintain a really moderate stance that we don't know the long term effects of having a society, located online, that isn't policed by a gatekeeper EXCEPT in the case of corporatism (i.e. Can't post nipples on Facebook or things that violate TOS, despite it not being culturally exclusive it is a gatekeeper of SORTS. Just not, you know, intellectually.)

    Anyway long comment short is I'm into it, I love Internet history and I'm really excited to see what's gonna happen.
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  4. Depends on your learning style. I'm an autodidact, so school was useless for me.
    Boo, Hiss.

  5. No curation only works in a world where there is truly a free and open exchange of ideas. Now we have curation from the mob, basically, where if you say something someone doesn't like, then they try to get you fired, kicked out of school, doxxed, sent somewhere for "re-education", etc. And that's just in the developed countries, for the most part. Try posting a picture of Mohammed, people literally get killed in protests over it.

    Did you see what happened to Facebook this summer, where they were accused of curating only left-wing news for their feed? I think there was smoke than fire to that one, but the point is these companies do actually have an enormous amount of power in shaping thought. It is trivially easy for Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. to steer people towards certain viewpoints and away from others in a way no newspaper ever had the power to.

    I weep for my country whenever I see someone derp about how free speech is only about the government restricting viewpoints.

    Interesting interview on just this topic I heard yesterday!

    http://www.wnyc.org/story/timothy-ga...sh-free-speech
    Last edited by Diff-chan; 01 Oct 2016 at 03:34 PM.

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    On the same token, we can't post porn in Sound Off here. Is that restricting free speech, or is that a reasonable limit on a privately-run site?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name View Post
    I'm sure whatever Yeller wrote is fascinating!

  7. My poorly formed opinion is that some sites rise beyond the level of being just a privately-run site. Facebook is functionally a virtual town square and I think should be held to a higher standard with regards to restricting speech. I don't know how to make that work, I'm just trying to think of "free speech" as something that is more than just the First Amendment.

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    I think that exists, it's in the form of 'actual town squares'. You can go sit in front of the White House with ten foot tall banners of dead babies if you really want to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Ramon View Post
    I don't even the rage I mean )#@($@IU_+FJ$(U#()IRFK)_#
    Quote Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name View Post
    I'm sure whatever Yeller wrote is fascinating!

  9. Wow I didn't know that

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    I didn't want to give you too much credit up front.
    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Ramon View Post
    I don't even the rage I mean )#@($@IU_+FJ$(U#()IRFK)_#
    Quote Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name View Post
    I'm sure whatever Yeller wrote is fascinating!

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