The Trump Presidency

**GohanX** · 13 Sep 2018, 10:04 AM

Everyone should have a platform for expressing their ideas, just as the rest of us should be able to mock them for being fucking retarded.

**Calliander** · 13 Sep 2018, 10:15 AM

I used to believe that. Let them have their platform, but not a commercial one. Fuck 'em. Infowars can have a web site and sell the supplements. MRAs can bitch and moan on private forums. What got us where we are now is letting that shit spill into YouTube (mostly) and the news.

EDIT: And, obviously, sharing that crap on FB/Twitter/whatever under the auspices of not policing things.

**James** · 13 Sep 2018, 11:01 AM

But what do you do when it's the US president saying 3000 people didn't die in Puerto Rico, that it's just a political ploy to make him look bad, and this comes only a few hours from a category 5 storm making landfall on the Carolinas?

**Doc Holliday** · 13 Sep 2018, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Calliander

This is also super important. Something about Rogan himself bothers me, though I haven't figured it out yet. Aside from that, Joust's point is key. I don't want pseudo-intellectuals like Peterson or conspiracy morons like Jones being treated like the things they say have value. They don't. Call it censorship if you want, but there's no reason to treat people with bad faith arguments fairly. The "marketplace of ideas" is nonsense. Opinions can still be shit these days, and just because someone presents theirs under the guise of civil discussion (and especially if they can articulate that argument well) doesn't make them less ridiculous or less deserving of mockery. The tone of an argument doesn't dictate its worth, but we've somehow let that become the case.

It sets a destructive precedent though to assume knowledge is universal. Bad ideas, whatever they may be - flat earth, can not be known until they are tested and the worse the idea the eaiser it is to test. The real issue is the emotion attached to our ideas and ego. And some make the argument our emotions are a valid argument themselves. Maybe? But emotions are plastic and changing and more important the consequence of an issue rather than the cause.

Alex Jones’ and Joe Rogan’s Bad ideas should be shut down through argument and their emotions detached from the ideas, for their benefit and the benefit of those who may connect with them. But our current culture doesn’t care about that. What we want in the argument is the game, the sport, the score. We don’t really value knowledge.

**bbobb** · 13 Sep 2018, 11:22 AM

Yeah, that's bullshit, fuck off.

**Calliander** · 13 Sep 2018, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by James

But what do you do when it's the US president saying 3000 people didn't die in Puerto Rico, that it's just a political ploy to make him look bad, and this comes only a few hours from a category 5 storm making landfall on the Carolinas?

Kill him and get a new President? I truly don't care any more. Those second amendment people have one thing right: We need to rise up against this stupid government.

What should have happened back whenever? Twitter should have said, "Yeah, no," and shut him down with the birther shit. But Jack is part of this whole, "We aren't here to police the public square we created," group. We don't pay for Twitter, which means that we are the product, which means that they are fine with a product that includes dumb shit like President Trump etc. And make no mistake - Alex Jones got banned because he said something mean to Jack. They were happy with the time out "solution" before that. Facebook isn't worth discussing, as its collapse is imminent.

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