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« on: 06/08/06 at 12:10 PM » |
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The premise for these questions is an island based on coffee plantations (without Canneries) and logging as the primary complementary income. There will be no pandering to tourists and the political focus is communist while trying to keep both USSR and USA reasonably happy.
Airport
Is this a waste of land, money and construction workers or not? The only use is for Trade Delegations and to me it looks like it just is not worth it.
Media - TV and Radio
- With a Liberty score in the 90's is there any point in using Radio Free Tropico or BBC (raises Liberty)? On a side note, would these stations be perfect for true dictators?
Media - Newspapers
Voice of the Worker is a natural choice, but what about the other political newpapers? I want to keep the number of people in the other factions down, but would the increase in respect make it worthwhile to use these newspapers in spite of that?
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Coconut Kid
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« Reply #1 on: 06/08/06 at 01:11 PM » |
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Airport - with your economy based on coffee and logging, forget it. There is too much randomness to expect a payback worth it - especially with the expense of sending out the delegations. It's not just the cost of building the airport. Radio & TV - With a "Liberty" score that high, you have better things to do with your stations - make money with the radio and use " Learning With Larry" with the TV - or making money also. Since your Liberty score is so high, one has to conclude that you do not need to boost your "respect" level. > "True Dictators", yes - they need the 'respect' programming. Newspapers - The political newspapers do NOT increase respect among their target group - they only increase membership in that group. The newspapers were really screwed over in the last stages of the game development. They originally were supposed to be parallel to radio & TV with 'respect' and 'liberty' options (El Presidente Picayune & Free Press + Dissent) but those were "cut." So all you can do with the Newspaper is to increase the numbers of one of the four faction(s) important to your play style for each paper you build, plus make money with another. Please note that each of the media have a range of effectiveness. Depending on your island's size, that is important, especially so since only one of each speciality can be used.  
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« Reply #2 on: 06/08/06 at 02:07 PM » |
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Radio & TV - With a "Liberty" score that high, you have better things to do with your stations - make money with the radio and use "Learning With Larry" with the TV - or making money also. Since your Liberty score is so high, one has to conclude that you do not need to boost your "respect" level.
>"True Dictators", yes - they need the 'respect' programming.
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In my current game Liberty is around 95, but Respect is 50-something. Quite a difference! It looks like I can use the "Respect" stations, but not the "Liberty" stations, right? The info on political Newspapers was quite important!  |
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Brf
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« Reply #3 on: 06/08/06 at 06:02 PM » |
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The political newspapers do NOT increase respect among their target group - they only increase membership in that group. Are you sure about that? The target faction leader's report will say that he is "happy" that you are printing that paper.... or some such phrase. I always use a fully staffed Word-of-God to raise the religious faction's respect when I am have trouble with them.... |
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« Reply #4 on: 06/08/06 at 10:36 PM » |
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Actualy ' Voice of the worker ' might not be the best choice especialy if the communist faction is large and already loves you. Word of god is a better choice as the religous faction is large and difficult to please plus a cordial religous faction gives you acces to the papal visit edict.
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« Reply #5 on: 06/09/06 at 03:57 AM » |
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Actualy ' Voice of the worker ' might not be the best choice especialy if the communist faction is large and already loves you. Word of god is a better choice as the religous faction is large and difficult to please plus a cordial religous faction gives you acces to the papal visit edict.
Note what Coconut Kid wrote: ...
The political newspapers do NOT increase respect among their target group - they only increase membership in that group...
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Coconut Kid
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« Reply #6 on: 06/09/06 at 06:45 AM » |
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The political newspapers do NOT increase respect among their target group - they only increase membership in that group. Are you sure about that? ... No. I'll look for the thread that I base the comment on. |
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« Reply #7 on: 06/10/06 at 03:30 PM » |
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Any update, Coconut Kid?
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Coconut Kid
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« Reply #10 on: 06/11/06 at 10:08 AM » |
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Here is the link to Olle_Petersson's original post on the Newspaper satisfaction vs faction growth question, http://tropico.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/cafe/index.php?topic=5272.msg95708#msg95708Also reply #12 by timp999, "Olle is correct that the newspapers don't add to satisfaction directly, but the newspapers also increase the relationship score with the targeted faction, which leads to a small amount of satisfaction increase."Perhaps that explains Brf's observation. I take it that "relationship score" has to do with El Presidente & specific factions. So perhaps Newspapers do not affect individual satisfaction directly, but they do affect El Presidente's relationship [score] with the faction -- and that feedback from the faction increases satisfaction on some score board -- Respect? In any case, the point is that Newspapers are NOT the way to try to quiet factions which oppose you / your policies. |
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Brf
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« Reply #11 on: 06/11/06 at 01:09 PM » |
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The way I was interpreting it.... The newspaper pleases the faction leader, and thus his faction through him.
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Coconut Kid
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« Reply #12 on: 06/12/06 at 04:30 AM » |
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The way I was interpreting it.... The newspaper pleases the faction leader, and thus his faction through him.
There's probably no problem with that interpretation. It's hard to know if that amount of increase in satisfaction is enough to warrant the growth that comes in the faction.  |
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Coconut Kid
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« Reply #13 on: 06/12/06 at 05:30 AM » |
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... (El Presidente Picayune & Free Press + Dissent) ... Please make that, (El Presidente's Picayune & Free Press and Dispatch)My paper manual has a bad missprint so newspapers don't show at all; so I have to I have to rely on other stuff. The Info Bar shows for the four Newspaper options (other than Coupons etc.) shows, "Increase your respect in the __ faction by _%, and also increases the portion of your population in the __ faction by about _%. (up to 10%)"So, it is your respect "in" the faction that changes while the faction also grows. >"Political" Respect< You can improve it (A) on a wide level through relations with factions or (B) on the individual level. >A< In general, an individual's political respect is primarily based on how the factions they belong to feel about you. Your character traits have a large impact on the factions. >B< An otherwise respectful individual may despise you if you arrest and jail his father. A bribe will improve the political respect of the individual who receives it. Remember that individuals who have a high level of leadership cast a wide aura reflecting their level of political respect. The above are paraphrases from the manual.I hope that clarifies things a bit. |
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Coconut Kid
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« Reply #14 on: 06/12/06 at 05:50 AM » |
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It seems that the guideline for the four faction options for Newspapers should be, "Go with the faction(s) that makes you strong; don't waste this trying to placate your enemies."It will grow an enemy. Possible example: Your personal traits include "Moscow U." and "Installed by KGB"; the "Financial Times" is not likely to overcome the Capitalist Faction's dislike for you. But there will be more of them who still dislike you.  |
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« Reply #15 on: 06/12/06 at 06:19 AM » |
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But what of the Papal visit edict ?.Wouldn't switching to "Word of God' as a temporary measure to boost the factions respect for you and allow you enact the edict.
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« Reply #16 on: 06/12/06 at 07:10 AM » |
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But what of the Papal Visit Edict? Wouldn't switching to "Word of God' as a temporary measure to boost the faction's respect for you and allow you enact the edict?
First, it would probably take some serious testing to give a definitive answer to that question. Second, the best you can squeeze out of this is a 10% improvement on the already existing level of the Religious Faction's respect. Since you are shooting for a minimum of CORDIAL, I guess that you could not be more than one level lower. Somewhere on this site are the lists of the words showing the relative levels. Those would allow you to search out the next lower level. The point is that using the Newspaper option will not allow you jump from zero to Cordial. |
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« Reply #17 on: 06/12/06 at 07:56 AM » |
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Faction Relations- Enraged
- Angry
- Cold
- Cool
- Fair
- Decent
- Cordial
- Close
- Very Close
- Perfect Harmony
Since the list seems to represent 10 increments, I suspect that to use the Newspaper to improve political respect to "Cordial", El Presidente would already have to have "Decent" political respect from the faction.
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Coconut Kid
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« Reply #18 on: 06/19/06 at 07:13 AM » |
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I wonder how the Faction Leader meshes with the Faction per: Faction Leader's Attitude- Upset
- Unhappy
- Concerned
- Content
- Pleased
- Happy
- Delighted
- Euphoric
Faction Relations- Enraged
- Angry
- Cold
- Cool
- Fair
- Decent
- Cordial
- Close
- Very Close
- Perfect Harmony
since there are eight of one and ten of the other? |
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