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« on: 05/18/01 at 07:15 PM »

Ok I've only got this built a few times, but was looking for some advice...

 Unlike all the other buildings in Tropico this one don't come with a "Suggested Retail Price" (ie. a default for how much to charge to get in the gates).  What does everyone else like to charge for this thing?  I've had a fit trying to make money with it, but then agian I always seem to get it built a little too late (50yr games).
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« Reply #1 on: 05/19/01 at 02:31 AM »

Well, I think pricing depends on the facility.  Sports arenas in the game would tend to attract the "lower" classes, especially with the taps flowing.  Keep the ticket price at or lower than the wages of the farmers and miners and other hardworking people.  Pubs are also more for the lower classes.  

Higher class facilities, like a restaurant or nightclub can be priced higher, say for your college educated workers.  You can just look at the number of patrons to see if the prices are too high.  If no one is there (and you have workers), it's either too expensive or too far for people to go.  
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« Reply #2 on: 05/20/01 at 05:01 AM »

I've tried many different prices, in many different locations.....but I've NEVER been able to have the arena make any money. But it makes people happy, so I guess it's probably still worth it
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« Reply #3 on: 05/20/01 at 01:40 PM »

Unfortunately, you'll find many of your buildings are likethis.  Rents for me almost never pay off, but my people must have housing.  Religion, medical care, and education are always free in Tropico.  All you can do is make money on structures that allow you to make money.

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« Reply #4 on: 05/20/01 at 03:17 PM »

I try to make money out of every possible building.

I slowly raise prices for housing and entertainment as the game advance and I make sure the buildings remain full. If they start emtying, I return to the previous price.

Leaving everything free can be devastating if you stop exporting stuff for a few years because of bad harvest, lazy teamster or worthless dockers.

It's also the only way to get back a part of the money you give to your people.
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« Reply #5 on: 05/20/01 at 07:23 PM »

Just seems odd, you can do without the stadium as high entetainment values can easily be achieved using other buildings. For 20,000 - 30,000 I quess I expected both entertianment and a little spending money. Maybe in a 70 year game It would become a money maker or you'd need that many entertainment slots all in one place.  time will tell.
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« Reply #6 on: 05/23/01 at 02:03 AM »

Well, its not necessarily the sports arena, but the number and kinds of entertainment venues you have on the island that really matters.  If you have a pub, restaurant, and cabaret, that basically takes care of a lot of the need right there.  Casinos, nightclubs, sports complexes, and gourmet restaurants help, but again you may find that people have their own preferences.  

If you click on a person and look at their detailed happiness tab (I think it is second from left) and hover the pointer over the entertainment bar it will tell you at the bottom that "eddyatwork prefers eating out, drinking, and the cabaret in that order"

In my admittedly limited research, those are the three highest preferences.

People will do the activities they prefer most in order if available, but any entertainment will work, so if a pub is all that is on the island, a pub is where they'll go.

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« Reply #7 on: 05/23/01 at 01:09 PM »

First i tried having prices for the stadium so that  infastructure and tourist uneducated wokrers and all other educated people could afford.  Lost about 2000 dollars a year.  Then I tried having it so that all highschool educated and college educated workers could afford it, I lost about 1000 dollars a year.  If youre wondering I had it just outside my main city.  Maybe I'll try only letting only college educated workers in but I think that will limit potential customers too much.  I always have it on booze free.
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« Reply #8 on: 05/24/01 at 02:11 AM »

Booze free?  But, but, but baseball is so so BORING without it!  This may be the problem.  

Try letting the taps flow and you might see more patrons and income.  At the very least you may have a soccer fight or something like the Europeans have.  

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« Reply #9 on: 05/24/01 at 06:59 AM »

Okay eddy, but when I lose productivity because all my workers are stoned, its coming out of Brians Swiss Account!!  Just to make up for that consulating fee  Cool
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« Reply #10 on: 05/24/01 at 02:58 PM »

I've tried both booze and no booze and the entertainment complex makes no pesos.

Perhaps its one of those deals like expansion teams...it takes time for the team to get good enough to be competitive.  So the folks don't come to the games.

I've even tried the Pan American games but got no significant tourist numbers or entertainment number increases.

Me thinks the roof has something to do with it, too.  Who wants to sit indoors?  Especially on a tropicla island?

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« Reply #11 on: 06/12/01 at 09:35 PM »

At least I'm not the only one who can't get the arena to make any money for me.  I used to build entertainment galore for my citizens, just to get the entertainment happiness boost.  However, I have discovered that they drain too much money during financial disasters leaving you scrambling to find some way to get the World Bank off your ass.  I never fully staff any entertainment center, with the exception of the pub because they are simply money losers when you do that.  For example, I only staff the cabaret with one dancer.  Rather have some uneducated senorita planting corn than have her shaking her rear for no profits.  Does me no good if she services a priest for some chump change if the tramp doesn't give her loving dicktator (typo) a piece of the action.
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« Reply #12 on: 06/13/01 at 06:42 AM »

I think the arena is worth it, but you need to remember that it's basically a break-even proposition, not a big money-maker.  I think it's worth it, though, for providing cheap, high-quality entertainment efficiently to a large number of people.  It's also a pretty good attraction for your poorer tourists.

Incidentally, selling booze actually *decreases* attendance - apparently, the drunken hooligans keep all the young families away.  The trade-off is that with booze, you get a higher revenue-per-fan, but fewer of them.
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« Reply #13 on: 06/13/01 at 10:37 AM »

I think the Sports Arena is an editorial comment by PopTop.  Like eddie said, I haven't gotten complaints with a combination of small venues.  The stadium is a money pit.

Just like in real life, some sports owner sell the town (island) a bill of goods about how much a sports team will mean to the city.  The city (or you) gets all caught up in the "excitement" and dumps millions into a sports complex...or money pit.  I haven't has a stadium built long enough to see whether the players start demanding higher pay (bigger contracts) or the team owner wants a new stadium with more luxury boxes.

*Hey PopTop_Brent, there ya go, add AthleteWhining to the editor upgrade.
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« Reply #14 on: 06/13/01 at 10:43 AM »

I made tons of cash, finally, from it, in my 70-year, high tourism game.  I just kept raising the price along with everything else -- I think I left it at 40.  You just need to realize that your populace won't be using for entertainment if you plan to make money from it.
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« Reply #15 on: 07/10/12 at 10:50 AM »

...  Unlike all the other buildings in Tropico this one don't come with a "Suggested Retail Price" (ie. a default for how much to charge to get in the gates).  What does everyone else like to charge for this thing?  I've had a fit trying to make money with it, ...

Well, I think pricing depends on the facility.  Sports arenas in the game would tend to attract the "lower" classes, especially with the taps flowing.  Keep the ticket price at or lower than the wages of the farmers and miners and other hardworking people.  Pubs are also more for the lower classes.  Higher class facilities, like a restaurant or nightclub can be priced higher, say for your college educated workers.  ...

I try to make money out of every possible building.  I slowly raise prices for housing and entertainment as the game advance and I make sure the buildings remain full. If they start emptying, I return to the previous price.  ...

It appears there was an error in the original file; the correct default is 15. It was corrected (I believe  with the PI expansion.

Big Mistake: Trying to "make" money from housing and entertainment\tourist attraction buildings. If you can make these buildings 'break even', you are really gouging the people; no profit is possible. You make profits from the tourist accommodations, farms and factories. That is, you make profits from money coming from off-shore, not from recirculation on shore. Tourist attractions "tone-up" the accommodations while mostly breaking even.

Second Big Mistake: Eddy's guess about the classes attracted to buildings is completely off-base. It is not the building itself that separates the classes; it's the options. For example: No Dress Code lets everyone in; Dress Code excludes avatars which are counted "uneducated" and the "Slob" and "Spring Break" tourists.

Well, its not necessarily the sports arena, but the number and kinds of entertainment venues you have on the island that really matters.  If you have a pub, restaurant, and cabaret, that basically takes care of a lot of the need right there.  Casinos, sports complexes, nightclubs, and gourmet restaurants help [nightclubs and gourmet restaurants are best intended for high class tourists], but again you may find that people have their own preferences. 

If you click on a person and look at their detailed happiness tab (I think it is second from left) and hover the pointer over the entertainment bar it will tell you at the bottom that "eddyatwork prefers eating out, drinking, and the cabaret in that order"

In my admittedly limited research, those are the three highest [most frequent] preferences.

People will do the activities they prefer most in order if available, but any entertainment will work, so if a pub is all that is on the island, a pub is where they'll go. [But they will be less and less happy.]

Eddy gives some excellent advice although I suspect he shorts the desire to gamble and\or view sporting events. It should also be noted that the preferences increase the service quality rating of the building and therefore the level the recorded on the entertainment happiness meter.

I think the arena is worth it, but you need to remember that it's basically a break-even proposition, not a big money-maker.  I think it's worth it, though, for providing cheap, high-quality entertainment efficiently to a large number of people.  It's also a pretty good attraction for your poorer tourists.

Incidentally, selling booze actually *decreases* attendance - apparently, the drunken hooligans keep all the young families away.  The trade-off is that with booze, you get a higher revenue-per-fan, but fewer of them.

She is correct, except it's not "young families" -- it's those who "have" religion - either as a high weight for a happiness element or as a faction support. If the suds are flowing, they will not attend. So, build the complex and turn on the suds to attract the Spring Break tourists.
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