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Question: Do you ever feel guilty when you cheat on games?
No way! If I wasn't supposed to cheat, there wouldn't be cheat codes! - 10 (22.7%)
Yeah, a little, but that never stops me from using them when I need to! - 6 (13.6%)
Totally. I don't ever cheat. It makes the game too easy! - 21 (47.7%)
I cheat when I am stuck on random maps, Cheating in competitions is really wasting your time... - 7 (15.9%)
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« on: 08/06/02 at 08:41 AM »

Hey! Smiley I just wanted to see how other people felt on this subject. A friend and I have different opinions on this question, and I just thought it'd be interesting to see what everyone else thought!
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« Reply #1 on: 08/06/02 at 01:08 PM »

I didn't vote because there's no answer that fits my opinion...

If you're playing for score, it's ridiculous to cheat, not to mention unethical in competition.

If you're just goofing around, cheats are fair game.
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« Reply #2 on: 08/07/02 at 12:12 AM »

I agree with timp, but cheating is just for when you start a game, theory goes kinna like this way:

When your game is new you like to cheat to make things faster and have some quick action

When you realize that you are really bad playing without cheats, you begin using them just when you are stuck

Finally you find out that cheating is limiting your capacities and you abandon it, because it doenst reflect what "your" work is/was.

Anyways i didnt vote neither because i didnt find an option that fit my answer, my answer would have been:

I cheat when I am stuck on random maps, Cheating in competitions is really wasting your time...

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pd. just 4 votes... thats quite sad...  Angry
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« Reply #3 on: 08/07/02 at 12:37 AM »

Cheats are only a tool to be used for training, and redesigning.

I go with Timp on this one.

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« Reply #4 on: 08/22/02 at 09:03 PM »

Cheating makes the game.....BORING!
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« Reply #5 on: 08/23/02 at 11:23 AM »

I agree, cheating does make the game boring. However, when you're first learning the game, giving el presidente $50k to start with makes it a little less frustrating to learn how to make your island profitable.
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« Reply #6 on: 08/23/02 at 11:08 PM »

I agree, cheating does make the game boring. However, when you're first learning the game, giving el presidente $50k to start with makes it a little less frustrating to learn how to make your island profitable.

True cheating is useful for newbies but even players with very little experience can find it boring if they build everything early in the game. If you control the extent to which you cheat then it can be even more fun for that person.

Example,Your not good with money and you dont like to wait a couple of years to make enough to build a church. You could type in "pesos" to give you a small boost in starting cash to get things going and still have fun earning the rest of your money the normal way without making the game to ease. What you do early in the game decides the fate of what your island turns out to be in the end.
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« Reply #7 on: 08/25/02 at 12:18 PM »

The point of the game is to make money, so if u use cheats there is no more interest to play, atleast for me. Cool
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« Reply #8 on: 08/25/02 at 05:24 PM »

I already have money covered, I can always get a sweet economy going. I cheat for variety, making maps where you can do stuff like capture an entire faction.
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« Reply #9 on: 08/25/02 at 05:38 PM »

cheating is like breathing u cant live without it so u breathe(cheat) less
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« Reply #10 on: 09/28/02 at 07:09 AM »

Yups, cheating is boring.

The point of the game is the challenge, so it's not like an adventure game, where you can get "stuck" on a particular part.
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« Reply #11 on: 09/28/02 at 04:44 PM »

I used to cheat on video-games, but found that they are way more fun when you don't.  Winning a scenario through cheating just takes some of the thrill away from the win.  However, some people like to cheat, and as long as it's not competitive play, I say more power to you.
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« Reply #12 on: 02/01/03 at 06:52 PM »

I dont cheat, it takes away the meaning of the game.
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« Reply #13 on: 02/02/03 at 08:35 AM »

The majority view is dead right. Cheat codes just ruin the game - if you added as little as, say, another $10,000 to your opening amount you could win every game without any difficulty, and the same with other cheats.

The only time I've ever used a cheat was the hotel scam for a competition game (after it was over by the way) when the winners had used it so that I could compare what I could score against theirs. I'm glad it's been banned from the last couple of competitions.  

The only other cheat I know is the demolition of a building to avoid maintenance charges and subsequent reinstatement and this does cause me an ethical dillema.  Originally I wouldn't have regarded this as cheating because you paid to demolish and didn't get your money back if you changed your mind so you were paying up frontinstead of annually.  Somebody decided this was a bug so fixed it and now you get your money back so I have to say it's cheating if your sole purpose is to avoid the annual charges for a few years.
(You could have done this in the Christmas Competition but - I'm pleased to say - it was banned).

On "First Attempt" though you've simply got to demolish the surplus power stations or maintenance will make you bankrupt fast but they're so far away your builders will never get round to the actual demolition.  However as you dont intend to bring them back into use this is strategy not cheating!!!

Hows that for a bit of ethical procrastination??!!??     Grin Huh Grin
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The only other cheat I know is the demolition of a building to avoid maintenance charges and subsequent reinstatement and this does cause me an ethical dillema.  Originally I wouldn't have regarded this as cheating because you paid to demolish and didn't get your money back if you changed your mind so you were paying up frontinstead of annually.  Somebody decided this was a bug so fixed it and now you get your money back so I have to say it's cheating if your sole purpose is to avoid the annual charges for a few years.
(You could have done this in the Christmas Competition but - I'm pleased to say - it was banned).

There is another reason to use the stopped-demolition cheat. In high-random games, such as the "Worst-Case Scenerio" games, you can use the cheat to save off some farms so they are not destroyed in the inevitable hurricanes. After the storm destroys your farms, you can cancel the stopped-destruction on the remaining farms and have them available for use immediately.

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« Reply #15 on: 02/02/03 at 03:08 PM »

God - now that is clever - I'd never thought of that. That sure could be useful for beating the T Orig - Green Island - which I've still not done.  Maybe I'll foget ethics on this!!!  Managed every Mucho Macho at 1st or 2nd attempt (see posts elsewhere) but still have Succio and this (at least) to do from the Orig so anything goes (except cheat codes!). There's also "Another Fish" where it could be useful although I managed this quite easily without.
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« Reply #16 on: 04/24/03 at 07:01 PM »

Right now I don't own a copy of tropico, but I do own a bit of a habbit to cheating. Before you pass judgment... I try to cheat when I get so stuck in a game that i wanna cry, but insted i cheat. That is what cheats are for right? Oh yeah, they are also used for total domination, but thats not the point i'm going for.

for example, in when I got GTAIII i never really had any experience with any type of shooter, I was but a humple strategy freak. Anyway, I got played it, got hard qucik, so... I cheated, and OH did I cheat, finally I bit the game, I FELT SO WRONG. so I started a new game, no cheats, beat it, HAPPY HAPPY.

example 2: Hitman. (1or2) One of the hardest game to beat, but i didn't cheat, i played, kept on playing, HAPPY HAPPY..... NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! guess what? i got stuck, try and try i might, but no, i was not a true hitman. So what do I do? Cheat the laws of physics and become a bullet proof monk, i mean hitman.

Moral of the story, just cheat when the game isn't fun anymore, i mean what are you gonna do, waste your time like that while you could be doing that science project that is due tommorow??? oh that reminds me.....
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« Reply #17 on: 03/21/04 at 10:54 AM »

I ruined Sim City 2000 for myself with cheats...never again...
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« Reply #18 on: 04/07/04 at 12:37 PM »

I AGREE WITH EVERY ONE WHO HATES CHEATING. I UHH... WELL MOST GAMERS LIKE TO HAVE A CHALLENGE, WHICH MAKES THE GAME MORE INTRESTING. THE MORE CHALLENGING THEY ARE THE MORE YOU HAVE TO THINK. WHICH MAKES IT FUN.
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« Reply #19 on: 10/09/04 at 05:55 PM »

I don't cheat in Tropico, with the exception of putting in a colonial fort if the game didn't generate one for me and I really want to have it. I never needed to, because assuming sane difficulty settings Tropico can be played relatively easily and be an enjoyable experience, rather than a frustrating one.

I do cheat in other games, though. It's true that the point of a game is to have a challenge, but not so much of a challenge that meeting it is hard - then playing is not fun. So what I do is play normally and if I get really frustrated I use cheats. Hey, it's either that or a lot of hard work, effort and frustration, and we all get enough of that in real life, right? Wink Playing a game should be fun, not hard work, and if it stops being fun, I cheat.
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« Reply #20 on: 04/20/12 at 12:20 PM »

It's interesting that the original poster did not specifically define cheating, but she certainly seemed to imply that she meant only using the "cheat codes." Many - if not most - of the other posters included other things such as exploits of quirks that may not have been intended by the developers and use of the editor during the course of the game. It may be useful to list the actual (recognized) cheat codes.

CONTENTO                  =  Add 10 happiness points
ECONOMICDIFFICULTY   =  Change economic difficulty of map
EXACTO                      =  Set national treasury to exact value
MUERTE                      =  Instant death for selected unit
PESOS                        =  Add $20,000 to national treasury
POLITICALDIFFICULTY   =  Change political difficulty of map
RAPIDO                       =  Toggle instant building on/off
RATEDDIFFICULTY        =  Change map difficulty rating (I'm not sure that this has any effect on gameplay or scoring.)
[Control]+[keys]     =  Enter cheat codes

These are not actual "gameplay" cheats excepting that opening the EDITOR to use some of its tools can give a player an unfair advantage in competition.
EDITOR               =  Toggle map editor on/off
IMPORTMAP            =  Import map from PCX format image
REMOVEPEOPLE         =  Remove all units from map

Why these codes were left active when the "debug" menu was blocked, I don't know. Personally, I can't figrue how these would be useful - even in competition. They are actually for the developers, IMHO.
FIVEYEARS            =  Advance date five years
ONEMONTH             =  Advance date one month
ONEYEAR              =  Advance date one year
SIXMONTHS            =  Advance date six months
TENYEARS             =  Advance date ten years
THIRTYYEARS          =  Advance date thirty years
TWENTYYEARS          =  Advance date twenty years

First, I have to say that I am not particularly interested in "competitive" play because typically the conditions are not carefully defined. Additionally, few of the scenarios are really well designed (too simplistic).

... but cheating is just for when you start a game, [my] theory goes kind of like this way:
1} When your game is new you like to cheat to make things faster and have some quick action
2} When you realize that you are really bad playing without cheats, you begin using them just when you are stuck
3} Finally you find out that cheating is limiting your capacities and you abandon it, because it doenst reflect what "your" work is/was.
...  I cheat when I am stuck on random maps, Cheating in competitions is really wasting your time. ...

I think that is a fairly good analysis; perhaps it's descriptive of why the publishers leave the codes available.

...  cheating is useful for newbies, but even players with very little experience can find it boring if they build everything early in the game. If you control the extent to which you cheat then it can be even more fun for [you].
Example,You're not good with money and you don't like to wait a couple of years to make enough to build a church. You could type in "pesos" to get a small boost in starting cash to get things going and still have fun earning the rest of your money the normal way without making the game to ease. What you do early in the game decides the fate of what your island turns out to be in the end.
The point of the game is to make money; so if you use cheats, there is no more interest to play ...
Yups, cheating is boring.  The point of the game is the challenge, so it's not like an adventure game, where you can get "stuck" on a particular part.
The majority view is dead right. Cheat codes just ruin the game - if you added as little as, say, another $10,000 to your opening amount you could win every game without any difficulty, and the same with other cheats.  ...

There is a sampling with the posters wobbling all over the map. The point of the game is NOT building a city nor making money. The "challenge" is clearly defined as simply staying in power until the victory trailer plays. The idea that making any change by using any or all of the cheats makes winning absolutely assured is really quite silly.

I don't cheat in Tropico, ... I never needed to, because assuming sane difficulty settings, Tropico can be played relatively easily and be an enjoyable experience, rather than a frustrating one.
I do cheat in other games, though. It's true that the point of a game is to have a challenge, but not so much of a challenge that meeting it is [extraordinarilly] hard - then playing is not fun. So what I do is play normally and if I get really frustrated I use cheats. Hey, it's either that or a lot of hard work, effort and frustration; and we all get enough of that in real life, right? Playing a game should be fun, not hard work; and if it stops being fun, I cheat.

That is the excellent summary of playing this game. It is for enjoyment, escape and relaxation -- not for worry about the "Cheat Police" kicking in your front door. The player defines things for him or her self. If a competition is involved, the entrants join with an understanding or just stay away.
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« Reply #21 on: 10/09/12 at 04:34 PM »

The point of the game is to make money, ...

Sorry, but you did not read the set-up. The point of the game is to stay in office according to your random game set-up or according to the scripted game set-up.
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