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« Reply #25 on: 08/09/02 at 05:23 PM »

This is an ancient thread... the editor doesn't support PI, AFAIK
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« Reply #26 on: 08/09/02 at 09:10 PM »

I'm sure Tim is right. That editor program that Lord Corwin wrote was a long time ago. I never used his editor. There was some discussion here that it was a little limiting in what it would let you do. And I believe that PopTopBrent warned us that setting the date back could have some undesirable side effects in your game.
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« Reply #27 on: 08/10/02 at 01:36 PM »

First of all, I didn't realize that PopTop Brent's warning was in this thread until this morning when I read all of his 66 posts. In that post, he also explained that it is important to save a newly created scenario with the editor turned on as this will reset the flag that determines whether or not the setup.evt will run. But you've already read that. Wink
If I may ask, why are you trying to set the date back and is it that important?

Next thing, yes there was, and still is,  some confusion about the editors. But you seem to have figured that out already too. Lord Corwin wrote his program because the editor provided by PopTop had very difficult to understand documentation and was not very user friendly. As far as I know, the debug keys that Brent referred to have never been included in the game's editor. Recently, when someone asked about resetting the date, I posted that I thought it could be done. I was quickly corrected. Embarrassed

And lastly, about reading all the old stuff before asking a question. There are some regulars here that get a bit testy when the same questions come up over and over. And it is always good to read a question that at least sounds like the asker has tried to find an answer on their own. But, there are almost 5200 topics and 96,000 posts on this forum! By the time anyone could read all that they'd be too old to play the game. And the search feature here isn't always the most efficient way of finding information either. So I try to be as tolerant as possible of the newbies. After all, we all were newbies here at some time. Even me. Grin I think that any question that is intelligently written at least deserves a cordial reply.
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« Reply #28 on: 08/10/02 at 03:48 PM »

I was just using the age of the thread as a reference to Lord Corwin's program being out of date... no other inferences were intended...  Wink

I'm sure Tim is right. That editor program that Lord Corwin wrote was a long time ago. I never used his editor. There was some discussion here that it was a little limiting in what it would let you do. And I believe that PopTopBrent warned us that setting the date back could have some undesirable side effects in your game.

Yes there is a warning right in this thread. Certainly setting the date back with people on the map is going to cause problems. What I'm looking for is setting the date back from Jan 8 (for example), 1950, to Jan 1, 1950.

I think the key point which partly answers my question is that the editor under discussion - apparently identified as tropical event editor - is not the editor commonly used or an earlier version of it, and is instead one written by Lord Corwin. The identity of the two editor programs is/was not crystal clear, at least to me. Lord Corwin gives "rfnagel" credit for the date change part of "the editor." Poptop Brent said "I have debug keys to change the date. I'll see if I can get them into the editor..."  So .......

As for this being an "ancient thread", we are frequently advised to read all the old stuff before posting a question which is new to us, but threadbare to others. That was what I was tryng to do.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #29 on: 08/14/02 at 07:32 PM »

I hope I can add something to this discussion since I have recently played with setting the date back for my Nicaragua scenario.  Lord Corwin's event editor will indeed set the date back to Jan. 1, 1950 or to any date after that, and it will work with PI scenarios too.  Just make sure you do that in a bare map file before doing any other events or it will mess them up due to the bug that only allows setting or adding a number not a variable.  The editor is still a good tool for beginners if you know the limitations.  And it does not have all of the PI variables in it even with the updated files.  So some manual editing will be required.

I also tried experimenting with hacking the date as rfnagel suggests and that still works too with the same offsets.  You can even set the date back prior to 1950 but the calculation of election years gets messed up.  I may do an experimental early Nicaragua scenario just to let people try this out.
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« Reply #30 on: 08/15/02 at 06:27 PM »

Great tip Em and thing!  I didn't know that one.  Makes a lot of sense though.  
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« Reply #31 on: 10/23/08 at 10:25 AM »

... I have recently played with setting the date back for my Nicaragua scenario.  Lord Corwin's event editor will indeed set the date back to Jan. 1, 1950 or to any date after that, and it will work with PI scenarios too.  Just make sure you do that in a bare map file before doing any other events or it will mess them up due to the bug that only allows setting or adding a number not a variable.  ...
I also tried experimenting with hacking the date as rfnagel suggests and that still works too with the same offsets.  You can even set the date back prior to 1950 but the calculation of election years gets messed up.  ...

Since I was so wrong when a question was asked about setting the start date, I felt obligated to 'bump' this thread up to current time. Now all those interested can read the basic information.

Again, I am sorry for being too dismissive of the recent question.  Embarrassed Embarrassed
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