Republic of Enrosia: Minister Suggestion/Debate Room

[El Meck]

About your post in the Chat   cap:
I posting in Enrosia debate but hold discusions about Tropico untill seth is back

... The Construction Crews are going WAYY too slowly for my liking, and I'm probably going to need another construction office to speed things up. ...

So feel free to add another one. 

[Mr.Eastwood]

My report on what we need to do to increase happiness is an easy one. Our housing is still horrible. One tenament and one apartment complex for roughly 90 working people.

As Minister of Finance, it is my opinion that in these next two years, we should focus wholely on building Tenaments. It's my opinion we need, at least, 3 more. I also suggest looking at housing for our military and the highly educated.

That's all I have for now. Later this week I should be able to give more detailed reports, but these have all the important details I need to get out.

[El Meck]

If you really want housing for all working people we must build more than 3 in my oppinion min. 5

[Mr.Eastwood]

Well my numbers I came up with to supply housing for all, was more like 7, not 5. However, we have a budget and have monies that need to be spend on other things too. We can't drop all construction projects and not slate anything else for construction to just build houses. Baby-steps have to be had, and that is what my plan calls for.

The 3 tenament complexs I called for to be built would use up just about all availible money I have budgeted for the years 1964-1965. If you recall, I asked that roughly 25% be spent on infrastructure and the likes. So the 25% to be slated for "Other" would just about exhaust that $8,138 (Rounded up from the actual $8,137.50) while leaving a little room to build anything else. I hope that clears up any confusion.

Also, on the next update, and all subsequent updates, I will post updated budgets instead of leaving it for all to guess. I apologize for being so remise about my duties as Minister of Finance ... life, school, & work have been driving me hard =P

[El Meck]

Your budget plan are confusing me even more. 
So lets go ahead. 

[Capitaligous]

Your budget plan are confusing me even more. 

Don't worry, El Meck. The budget is going to be conveyed in Enrosia's Policies for you.

 Since you're not in the Department of Finance, you don't need to worry about the budget too much 

 btw, 64-65 update now posted!

[Mr.Eastwood]

I just realized I got confused about my budget. I thought I had set 25% for houses, when in reality I left it open to 50%. I apologize for any confusion I caused. Cap, could you post an extra picture when you get around to it, one that shows the happiness rating of everything. You know what I'm talking about, right? Anyways, for each update, I will be giving a new budget to avoid any futher confusion. For these fiscal years, it goes as follows:

No money will be spent. Since the housing has depleted our reserves so much, we shall save money for '66 and then '67 money will only be spent on El Presidente's discression. Fiscal years '68-'69 I hope to see an improvement and we'll focus equally on increasing our manufactoring base as well as our housing situation. I suggest we restrict immigration enough to replacement-level, until more citizens are properly housed.

[El Meck]

Here is my old pic (still actually):

Look carefully  and notice i suggested far into future of Enrosia 

• New Papaya area
• Development of Mining

[Capitaligous]

Yes, very far. 
I've gotta watch the spending, but we may be able to start on a few papaya farms (maybe even a mine) before the sixties are over.

Mr. Eastwood:
I'll post the happiness pic with the next update.
Unfortunately, we don't have an immigration office yet, so I'm unsure on whether or not we can restrict immigration.
Happiness levels have been improved by the tenements, which is the good news. 
I wasn't confused by your budget, however, I think I went a little overboard on the tenement complex.

[Conejo]

As the new Minister of Education, I would like to request a report specifically based on the current educational opportunities and the Ministry's national allowance. This would help me understand where the Republic progress and what we can do about making that progress a reality. Thank you very much.

[Capitaligous]

current educational opportunities

Enrosia currently has a fully-staffed high school and students are currently attending it.
It is set to "General Education".

the Ministry's national allowance

Mr. Eastwood (Enrosia's Minister of Finance) will provide you with this information.

Thank you very much.

No, thank you! 

[Mr.Eastwood]

Yes, very far. 
I've gotta watch the spending, but we may be able to start on a few papaya farms (maybe even a mine) before the sixties are over.

Mr. Eastwood:
I'll post the happiness pic with the next update.
Unfortunately, we don't have an immigration office yet, so I'm unsure on whether or not we can restrict immigration.
Happiness levels have been improved by the tenements, which is the good news. 
I wasn't confused by your budget, however, I think I went a little overboard on the tenement complex.

Don't worry about goin' overboard; those tenements gotta be built eventually, so it was good it was done when we had a nice surplus. I was sure our low happiness was due to insufficent housing and it looks like I was right. Once a majority of our people are housed in something, I'm sure happiness will hoover around 50-53% from then on. Then we would have to worry about improving the quality of all the basics, once everyone has all the basics, of course. I'll try to budget in around 2 tenements per budget to slowly increase our housing situation.

And during the next update, I'll give a budget Conejo and you'll see what monies you'll have to work with. Since we need to upgrade from light to heavy industry anyways, I'll be budgeting a lot for education for the rest of the '60s and I'm sure most of the '70s as well.

[Capitaligous]

Don't worry about goin' overboard; those tenements gotta be built eventually, so it was good it was done when we had a nice surplus. I was sure our low happiness was due to insufficent housing and it looks like I was right. Once a majority of our people are housed in something, I'm sure happiness will hoover around 50-53% from then on. Then we would have to worry about improving the quality of all the basics, once everyone has all the basics, of course. I'll try to budget in around 2 tenements per budget to slowly increase our housing situation.

And during the next update, I'll give a budget Conejo and you'll see what monies you'll have to work with. Since we need to upgrade from light to heavy industry anyways, I'll be budgeting a lot for education for the rest of the '60s and I'm sure most of the '70s as well.

 Eventually, we'll cover the entire housing situation with better forms of housing (with higher rents!!!!)

Check out the latest update!

[Mr.Eastwood]

Sadly, there is no real way to infuse money back into our economy fast, except by foreign aid. I noticed a trend in the money amounts; in 1962 we had plus-ten thousand dollars but in 1963 we had only plus-two thosand dollars. From there it's been very low and I couldn't figure out why until I noticed that our Cannery was built in the '62-'63 period. I'm assuming it was built sometime towards the end of '62 - beginning of '63 and that is why we are running deficits. Heavy industries eat up vast amounts of capital in their first 4-7 years of operation and this will prolly continue until 1970 easy.

Short of foreign aid, I'm gonna ask El Presidente to use some executive power and fire all highschool educated workers from their non-educated jobs and put them into the Cannery. The quicker we fill it out, the faster they learn the job, and the faster we can build more capital, but that sounds more like a duty for our new Minister of Education, so it's up to him to approve that idea or not.

Until that time, I'm affraid I will have to be cheap with the money and not allow any non-essential building; it will be up to El Presidente and his discretion. However, there are educational & industrial edicts that can be enacted to help us out, in the long run, so I will budget money for those. Because I don't remember prices off the bat, I'm guessing a safe amount of $3,000 Pesos will be set aside; $1,500 for educational edicts & $1,500 for industrial edicts. Anything not used will be put back into the general fund as we try to break even waiting for the cannery to take off.

Just my opinion though 

[Conejo]

As to the possibility of moving educated workers into the Cannery, I am in favor of the motion, understanding that the educated workers are being ill-used in jobs which do not take advantage of their edcuations.

I believe that in this time we should be conserving government monies if we have been seeing a steady decline in our surplus. But I also believe we will move into more improved educational practices if we are going to continue to build up our industrial complex. For this reason I also approve the use of some edicts which will make education a priority.

[Capitaligous]

Short of foreign aid, I'm gonna ask El Presidente to use some executive power and fire all highschool educated workers from their non-educated jobs and put them into the Cannery.

 Unfortunately, I can't do that now, since all of the cannery positions are already filled! 
  The Enrosians jumped on the opportunity quickly...in the mid sixties.

  Check out the 1968-1969 update...there's good news!! 

[El Meck]

I can ad at this time only my opinion to the suggested Lumber Mill.
So i only suggested to build a Logging Camp
1. to gain quickly money for industrial improvment
2. to clear the forest area for farming or etc.

There fore i thought it mill only be a temporary solution.

But now it seems that the economy of Enrosia depents in a unpleasant way on it's output.

[Capitaligous]

But now it seems that the economy of Enrosia depents in a unpleasant way on it's output.

So, I'm guessing the conflict between the communists and capitalists begins now?

[Capitaligous]

As a sidenote, the lumber mill would require approval from the majority of the ministers to be built, anyways.

[El Meck]

As a sidenote, the lumber mill would require approval from the majority of the ministers to be built, anyways.

So what aboute a poll? 

So, I'm guessing the conflict between the communists and capitalists begins now?

Conflict?? where is a conflict? ^^
What do you think i am for     

[Capitaligous]

So what aboute a poll? 

Good idea!

 The topic can now be voted on in the Election Booth.

Conflict?? where is a conflict? ^^
What do you think i am for     

 Well, you did apply as a communist, and they're for the farming and resource gathering and not for the big industry like capitalists (me).

 

[El Meck]

Well, you did apply as a communist, and they're for the farming and resource gathering and not for the big industry like capitalists (me).
 

So YES

build Mines !
more Farms !!
 

[Capitaligous]

Okay, we will....but I can't toss Capitalism out of the mix... 

[El Meck]

Centrally planned economy

In reference to the new post of Enrosian's development:

• For any decicion in the housing issue my department need informations about our population
  FOR NOW:
  [low budget]- every year min. 1 Apartmentcomplex
  [abounding budget]- one Tentement in 2 year periodes
• Mines: My current opinnion is that we need from now to ~1980 every year a new mine

El Presidente we will need a lot of labour and swet but with this tight time schedule
but the Enrosian crowd is willing to cooperate and work for wealth in every parlour

The Minister of Agriculture and Natural Resources; Leader of ECP

[Mr.Eastwood]

I was busy this week, so I'm sorry I couldn't post sooner.

Before I can make a solid judgement on my District, I need to know which way the wind is blowing. If it is blowing into my District, then I think the development of District 4 should be industrial; we can, slowly & if deemed viable, move some farms and such into my district, as well as adding heavy industry (Cannery, Lumber Mill, etc). This way, the wind blows it all out towards the see. We could make especially good profits with logging camps alongside those mines that are already built; the iron and lumber can help increase profits alongside the Cannery. All of the above would, then, clear the way for us to build District 3 into a tourist mecha or something.

However, if the wind is blowing away from my district, I would like to throw up a bunch of logging camps to clear the area, and make a nice profit, maybe errect a few lumber mills for a nicer profit, and then turn the rest into a tourist spot. Lemme know for sure which way the wind is blowing and I'll expand on either of these plans

As for my budget for the '72-'73 years, it goes as follows:
*NOTE: I'm rounding down to $12k*
El Meck- $3,000
Sethwbcl91- $3,000
Conejo- $3,000
TREASURY- $3,000

You don't have to spend it all, and I suggest y'all look into what you want, vs. what our island needs, vs. what y'all can afford ... and plan accordingly. Again, full discression is left up to El Presidente to budget more, or less, to each person should he see fit to do so.