New Halo 2 pic and complete bafflement.

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Originally posted by Damian79
"dulls colors, adds shimmery shit"

No it doesn't. So far the only game I saw shimmering in is DMC and only at the start of the game.


"The jaggies in RRV weren't that bad"

No, they were just pain inducing.

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Yes it does. The fact that you want to throw up over a fucking angle in F-Zero or over the "blockiness" of a diesel fucking badass game character, but you dont notice all the shit composite adds to the image proves you're either on drugs or brain damaged. Take your pick.

All the TVs I have played games on are composite. There's dot crawl up the bunghole, and just that is enough to drive me nutty. On more advanced connections the colors are richer, the image is more refined, all sorts of shit. Its like going from a Civic to a... riced out Civic. It may make flaws easier to spot but hey at least the flaws you're seeing aren't the fault of a pants video connection.

Please, come back to Earth.

I've got to agree with diffusion here. Damian, seriously man, either do SOMETHING factual to back up what you say, or don't say anything.

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Originally posted by Damian79
"dulls colors, adds shimmery shit"

No it doesn't. So far the only game I saw shimmering in is DMC and only at the start of the game.

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Play on an RGB monitor, and then play on a composite TV.

You will want to claw your fucking eyes out.

Trust me... you have no idea what you are missing by limiting yourself to a whore of a connection.

Even after getting S-Video I saw a huge improvement over composite, and I know theres alot better stuff than S-Video out there.

Those weapons kinda remind me of the one's I used to buy at KMart when I was 5...those were fun...my mom took them away from me. Master Chief looks good though.

I remember reading somewhere that he is being modeled with less polys in Halo 2. Not like it matters - unless you have fear that it will warp the fabric of collision detection as we know it. Or you could just be a graphics whore.

Once consoles support displacement mapping, all models will be made of a single digit poly count. :p

Seriously, polys are still very much needed for constructing the overall shape of something and having it look smooth (if smoothness is desired), but polys should no longer be used for fine details. It's a waste of processing power. Things like bump-mapping, vertex shaders, etc all do it better now.

Best use up bump mapping I've seen so far on a console is actually in DOAVBX. If you look at the tiled surface of the area around the pool, it's been subtly bump mapped. You need to move the camera around to really notice it, but belive me you'd really notice if it was suddenly taken away.

"All the TVs I have played games on are composite. There's dot crawl up the bunghole, and just that is enough to drive me nutty. On more advanced connections the colors are richer, the image is more refined, all sorts of shit. Its like going from a Civic to a... riced out Civic. It may make flaws easier to spot but hey at least the flaws you're seeing aren't the fault of a pants video connection."


When you talk about dot crawl, you are not talking about "texture shimmering" when you turn etc. are you? If so, it doesn't do that except for a few games on rare occasions. As for richer colours, the colours are perfect for me. It is exactly as rich as the colours on my PC. Though some games like "Lost Kingdoms" does have darker colours. But I think that is intended.

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Originally posted by Ammadeau
Once consoles support displacement mapping, all models will be made of a single digit poly count. :p

Seriously, polys are still very much needed for constructing the overall shape of something and having it look smooth (if smoothness is desired), but polys should no longer be used for fine details. It's a waste of processing power. Things like bump-mapping, vertex shaders, etc all do it better now.

Best use up bump mapping I've seen so far on a console is actually in DOAVBX. If you look at the tiled surface of the area around the pool, it's been subtly bump mapped. You need to move the camera around to really notice it, but belive me you'd really notice if it was suddenly taken away.

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Yep. But then again, it takes horsepower to apply the effect. The overall effect I think is nicer than just going for brute force polys, but it's not like it's the more effecient way out unless the chipset is designed with these procedures in mind (which, very likely, the Xbox probably is). Bump Mapping an pixel-shaders were present in the origianly Halo, but as afterthoughts it would seem. Halo 2 looks like it's designed with all of these effect well in mind.

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Well, if the chipset doesn't support bump mapping, you won't see them period. It sorta needs to be built in to do them in real time. Just rendering doesn't count. And it takes sigificantly less horsepower (a lot actually) to do them as bump map than to actually try to model those details, especially when you're talking serious level of detail.

Like a natural stone wall for instance which would have hundreds of tiny irregular ridges. Modeling that in polys would be pretty insane. You would get a mesh that no current computer could render in realtime.

This is another reason the PS2 sucks. :p