Maybe this will help- these schoolgirls are disease-ridden whores and deserve whatever fate they get due to their ignorance.
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Maybe this will help- these schoolgirls are disease-ridden whores and deserve whatever fate they get due to their ignorance.
Good enough I guess.
That being said... i'd still ike to meet themQuote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Maybe this will help- these schoolgirls are disease-ridden whores and deserve whatever fate they get due to their ignorance.
:lol:
So how does a game like this start?
"Hey, nice shoes. Wanna play a game? It's called 'fuck and try not to get preganant'."
"What if I do get pregnant?"
"That means you lose the game. But we use the 'Free Parking' money to pay for the abortion. That way you don't have to wait 9 months to play again."
lolQuote:
Originally posted by Rumpy
So how does a game like this start?
"Hey, nice shoes. Wanna play a game? It's called 'fuck and try not to get preganant'."
"What if I do get pregnant?"
"That means you lose the game. But we use the 'Free Parking' money to pay for the abortion. That way you don't have to wait 9 months to play again."
Sadly, those rules work.
But what I'm saying is that society already has been shaped from the very beginning by religion that there really are no morals without them. I mean you look at any culture and for the most part their entire society's foundations have been shaped by some form of religion...I'm not just talking about Christianity and I'm talking about from the very beginning there was a belief system founded for cultures that helped them decide what is right and what is wrong...Quote:
Originally posted by DarkCrow676
So if it wasnt for religion, then we wouldnt have morals? I have to disagree with that. Dont you think people would get pissed of if theor stuff got stolen or a family member killed? The fact that the 10 comandments are the basic does and donts mean nothing. Killing and stealing are wrong cause it pisses other people off and causes them harm. If a man never heard of God and knew nothing of the teachings of the bible, he would still not want to have his things stolen from him.
The entire notion of "wrong" comes from this, because without these ideas, without the cultures way back in time defining the idea of truth and lies, right and wrong there is no morality.
But as I read your post I started thinking of the philosopher Nietzsche and his work on truth and lies and really he had no belief in God and basically said that it is society that defines wht we believe as right from wrong.
So yeah you may be right. I tend to believe that the society had to be shaped by religious doctrine long before it could freely choose what would be right and wrong, but many people disagree with this...
Excellent post, however I still maintain that "fear" as it appears in the Greek "Phobos," still means fear, exclusivly. Besides, nowhere does the Bible say "fear Jesus." It says "fear God." Or "the fear of the LORD* is the begining of all wisdom." Since I concede that Jesus is, in fact, God, it makes sence to fear Him as well. However, that was not the focus of His message.Quote:
Originally posted by ssbomberman
I'm not supporting or condoning anything he said, but I do think I understand this point somewhat.
The whole idea of morals is based in religion--whether it is "Christianity" I'm not sure (remember Jesus was a Jew). The basic laws saying this is good this is bad, evolved from religious texts -- stelaing is wrong because though shall not steal, etc...
So what I get out of this is that yes you can have morals with no current belief in God whatsoever, but the foundation of morality is based in religion and that is something that cannot be changed. This country's founding fathers created the laws of this country using religion as a guide.
Now, as far as fear of God -- God and Jesus are two different entities -- a lot of people disregard this --anyway, God was a vengeful person and he makes that clear in the Old Testament -- he destroyed that world and afterwards vowed never to do it again -- he then sent Jesus to save us after we royally screwed up -- Jesus is a much different person than God and when they speak of fear as related to Jesus, yes you should be aware of his power, but fear mean something different -- he isn't trying to scare you -- it is something more along respect...the bible uses a lot of words that no longer have the same meaning...
Finally, please separate priests and other humans who have done horrible acts in the name of God from the Bible and the people in it. We are humans and humans are the ones who are doing these terrible things, not Jesus or God...and not all priests are bad...many devote their entire lives to their faith without ever really knowing what a family is (atleast the type we are used to).
Jesus was a good man--I ask you to read the bible --ignore what missionaries and preachers, etc. tell you--just read the bible and understand what type of person Jesus was and then make a judgement whether you hate him or the religions that promote him -- that's the thing that gets me --many of you can't separate the two --Jesus did not rape little boys, he does not tell people to kill other people, etc...
Believe what you want to believe and live how you want to live...some of us need God in our lives to make it that much more meaningful...we do what we want to do, God or Jesus does not make us do anything -- he leaves us to our own devices--this is our world...he's simply there to guide those of us who ask.
So why fear Jesus if you're never told too? Simple: respect. You see, you cannot mesh the words respect and fear together, even in the Greek they have two totally seperate meanings, evedenced by two (or more) totally seperate words. No word that means fear also means respect, and vise-versa. However, the fear that you hold for God (Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit), stems from respect. You should both fear and respect God at the same time. To do anything less, as a Christian, is in violation of what the Bible commands. ;)
Besides, the whole Bible wasn't written in Greek. Most of it was written in Hebrew (Old Testament). The Hebrews, as well, have two seperate words for fear and respect. That verse in Proverbs, about the begining of all wisdom, most asuredly says fear, as it was written in Hebrew. ;)
Sorry to pick this single point about your post and shoot it off on a tangent, but this argument, concerning fear vs. respect, has always irked me. Fear means "fear", respect means "respect". End of story.
*NOTE: Anywhere in the Old Testament where the word "LORD" appears in small capital letters is actually His name, Yahweh. It appears in the original Hebrew texts, or Torah, without the vowels, as the name of God was reverenced so much, that the Jews wouldn't even speak it, let alone commit it to paper. It is also said that "Yahweh" may not even be the name of God, as it is simply speculation. Bible scholars, when filling in the vowels, had to guess, and figured that the vowels now used are the most correct, or the ones that make the most sence.
I will definitely let it die, but I do want to comment on the this post and say that it is very insightful and makes a good point.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Excellent post, however I still maintain that "fear" as it appears in the Greek "Phobos," still means fear, exclusivly. Besides, nowhere does the Bible say "fear Jesus." It says "fear God." Or "the fear of the LORD* is the begining of all wisdom." Since I concede that Jesus is, in fact, God, it makes sence to fear Him as well. However, that was not the focus of His message.
So why fear Jesus if you're never told too? Simple: respect. You see, you cannot mesh the words respect and fear together, even in the Greek they have two totally seperate meanings, evedenced by two (or more) totally seperate words. No word that means fear also means respect, and vise-versa. However, the fear that you hold for God (Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit), stems from respect. You should both fear and respect God at the same time. To do anything less, as a Christian, is in violation of what the Bible commands. ;)
Besides, the whole Bible wasn't written in Greek. Most of it was written in Hebrew (Old Testament). The Hebrews, as well, have two seperate words for fear and respect. That verse in Proverbs, about the begining of all wisdom, most asuredly says fear, as it was written in Hebrew. ;)
Sorry to pick this single point about your post and shoot it off on a tangent, but this argument, concerning fear vs. respect, has always irked me. Fear means "fear", respect means "respect". End of story.
*NOTE: Anywhere in the Old Testament where the word "LORD" appears in small capital letters is actually His name, Yahweh. It appears in the original Hebrew texts, or Torah, without the vowels, as the name of God was reverenced so much, that the Jews wouldn't even speak it, let alone commit it to paper. It is also said that "Yahweh" may not even be the name of God, as it is simply speculation. Bible scholars, when filling in the vowels, had to guess, and figured that the vowels now used are the most correct, or the ones that make the most sence.
this thread got sooooo lame, soooo fast