Zone of the Enders 2 - Official

Yeah, but NG you can reorient the camera behind you at the touch of a button, you aren't left physically unable to look where you need to.

ZOE's setup would actually probably be fine if the camera moved back at certain times. Like I said, it works great most of the time, lousy at a few others.

I have one other request for the inevitable sequel - they need to do something about the subweapons. Having everything stop while you cycle through a text menu just takes you out of the game. The first one did the same thing, and I figured it was just a symptom of how rushed that game was, I thought for sure they'd come up with something quicker & more intuitive for part 2. I find myself sticking with one weapon even when it would be realy advantageous to keep changing. Fortunately, Grab > everything.

You can tap the sub-weapon menu button to just cycle through them. Right?

I dunno, I liked the way it was set up--like picking weapons in MGS.

everytime i go into EB i check out the used section to find it, ive always wanted to play it.

Looks like these guys have it available, new. $40

I bought Rez and Gitaroo-Man from them. They're legit.

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

Yeah, but NG you can reorient the camera behind you at the touch of a button, you aren't left physically unable to look where you need to.

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Sorry, but this point I have to disagree with. You can technically reorient at the touch of a button, but I was forced to rely almost entirely on the game's auto-directional attacking anytime I got near a wall (all the time). So much rolling around and constant jumping meant that the camera needed to be pulled back a lot more, because 90% of what I saw was just walls. NG's camera was just too close to ever see what was being fought. I usually saw the enemy, and then as soon as battle began I would only catch glimpses when Hayabusa physically struck them, and even that wasn't 100%.

Not that ZOE2's is a shining example of how to make a camera or anything. Now, it wasn't as bad as Onimusha 2, that game had it so terrible everything else is like the Havok of camera systems in comparision. Remember when I bitched about god-awful DMC's fixed system was? After playing Onimusha 2 I tried DMC again and it felt like a gift from the gods. I'm pretty sure it was created by the first all-down syndome videogame design team.

As I recall, holding down L2 will keep you from re-locking onto other enemies. I ended up doing that extensively with one of the Viola fights, as the camera just goes to shit in tight corridors.

If you liked ZoE2 and don't mind moonspeak, try out Another Century's Episode 2. The gameplay is very similar, down to a nearly identical locking mechanism. But ACE2 also maps camera control to the right stick so you have a fair amount of control over it. In addition, subweapons can be used by holding a button and then pressing another - no need to cycle through them.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

NG's camera was just too close to ever see what was being fought. I usually saw the enemy, and then as soon as battle began I would only catch glimpses when Hayabusa physically struck them, and even that wasn't 100%.

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How far did you get? The only level in the game that has a problem like your were having is just the first level (super tight small corridors)

The camera was excellent especially in the combat. The camera automatically pans out for a wider view & moves more overhead when you face enemies.

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Originally Posted by WTFer

How far did you get? The only level in the game that has a problem like your were having is just the first level (super tight small corridors)

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I can't speak for MechDeus, but I endured through the fifth level before I got tired of the camera.

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The camera was excellent especially in the combat. The camera automatically pans out for a wider view & moves more overhead when you face enemies.

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It boggles my mind that anyone could call Ninja Gaiden's camera "excellent." If it worked for you, cool, but I cannot for the life of me think of a worse camera than Ninja Gaiden's.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

I'm pretty sure it was created by the first all-down syndome videogame design team.

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this is just ace. i also completely agree on all counts you made about NG.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

but I cannot for the life of me think of a worse camera than Ninja Gaiden's.

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Metal Gear Solid. I enjoy MGS but I swear I am playing pac-man.