A Legacy Company

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Originally posted by epmode
complain about sony if you like, but don't say that they don't innovate. sony's internal teams developed ico, ape escape and parappa, among other very original games. (edit: as xS just pointed out)

i love when nintendo gets creative (wario ware is probably my favorite nintendo game released in the last year or so), but you have to admit that they've taken a step back in this department.

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They've taken a step back because they don't have the market power. Why should they innovate? What will happen is that the competition will copy their ideas and release their games for the PS2/XBOX and that game will then be heralded for innovating, while Nintendo still remains "kiddy".

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Originally posted by MVS
Putting 2 people on a Kart is re-inventing the Genre?

What's next?

Nintendo re-invents the golf genre by putting ball washers in it?

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What has been done by anyone else to move the Kart genre forward, then? Every other Kart game has been identical to Mario Kart, with nothing added.

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Originally posted by xS
...Moji Ribbon are part of this generation, FYI.

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Sorry about that.:)

Actually, a little off topic but could you tell me what this game is. I've never heard of it before. Thanks.

[]What will happen is that the competition will copy their ideas and release their games for the PS2/XBOX and that game will then be heralded for innovating, while Nintendo still remains "kiddy".[/i]
:icepick:Hahaha, since when have Sega, MS, or Sony been credited for anything Nintendo has done?

Putting 2 people on a Kart is not re-inventing the genre, any more than putting a backpack on Mario re-invents platformers, adding online to GT4 re-invents the racing genre or adding dual sub-machine guns for Halo2 re-invents the FPS genre.

Btw, Moji Ribbon is a game which has you writing Japanese Kanji.

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Originally posted by xS
Btw, Moji Ribbon is a game which has you writing Japanese Kanji.

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there's also that sony game that directly interfaces with the aibo. gimmicky as hell, but innovative.)

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Originally posted by Spike
They've taken a step back because they don't have the market power. Why should they innovate? What will happen is that the competition will copy their ideas and release their games for the PS2/XBOX and that game will then be heralded for innovating, while Nintendo still remains "kiddy".

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I know, Nintendo leads the way, like:

The analog console controller Nintendo made...after Sega did or the auto-jump used in TOOT...after it was in Burning Rangers.

Not to mention the massive innovation of taking character's names, changing the first letter and making them villians.

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Originally posted by MVS
Putting 2 people on a Kart is not re-inventing the genre, any more than putting a backpack on Mario re-invents platformers, adding online to GT4 re-invents the racing genre or adding dual sub-machine guns for Halo2 re-invents the FPS genre.

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So then, having various powerups that work better for certain characters, the ability to steal the other peoples powerups, the ability to switch between drivers and use their advantages during the race, the ability to choose a kart and have to factor in size and the weight of the two characters that you chose doesn't advance the genre?

Advance the genre? Sure.

Re-invent it? No.

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Originally posted by MVS
I know, Nintendo leads the way, like:

The analog console controller Nintendo made...after Sega did or the auto-jump used in TOOT...after it was in Burning Rangers.

Not to mention the massive innovation of taking character's names, changing the first letter and making them villians.

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Actually, Nintendo annouced the analog controller first.

And, I assume you mean Wario. As far as I know he's the only one. Well then, how about Solid Snake, Liquid Snake, and Solidus Snake?

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Originally posted by MVS
Advance the genre? Sure.

Re-invent it? No.

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Oh, I understand now. Sorry, but it's too early for me.;) But, would you agree that if every kart game clones DD that it in some way has reinvented the genre?

Annouce is not ship.

Wario, Waluigi...

How about Snakes? They are clones of the same person.