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Originally posted by Lucas Barton
anyways, these are the features that GameSpy's service will offer.

[li]In-Game Player Matchmaking Text Chat, Instant Messaging, and Buddy Lists[/li] [li]Online Competitions and High Score Ladders [/li][li]Online Data Storage (for virtual memory card applications) [/li][li]Usage and Game Statistics Reporting and Analysis [/li][li]Data Transfer to and from the Internet[/li]
it's great that they're releasing the SD-DigiCard Adaptor soon since you're gonna have the ability to transfer files over the internet.

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That would be nice, but do you think the game would support all of those features? If so, then Nintendo might as well advertise that the game has online play. There's no point in doing "online data storage" or "high score ladders" if you're just networking a handful of systems for an hour or two.

My guess is that GameSpy will do something along the lines of what they did with the X-Box tunneling program, or the tunneling method some people devised to play TimeSplitters 2 on PS2 over the Internet. That is, you network your video game system with a PC that is connected to the Internet, and run a program on your PC to handle the network traffic between your game system (acting as if it were on a LAN) and the Internet.

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Originally posted by Lucas Barton
still, i get the feeling that the only games that will use this service will be games published by Nintendo, and the occasional important 3rd party game. but even then, im not too sure about 3rd party support. oh well, atleast now there's a solid online plan.
anyways, it seems like this is gonna run on GameSpy servers, and not just be a matching service like xbox live. but the best part of all...it'll be free.

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If it's using a tunneling program, then it won't be using GameSpy's servers at all, except for matchmaking.

If it does use GameSpy's servers, and any/all accompanying features, then it is for all intents and purposes an "online game." Why would Nintendo want to hide that fact? I don't believe they would. Since Nintendo is skirting the whole concept of "online gaming" right now, I have a feeling that they aren't implementing this.

Agent X obviously you havent been following the past threads


Gamespy has allready officialy said they wont be using tunneling because they dont have to

they wrote the Gamecubes Lan software

there was a many page thread about it just the other day


they said all youll have to do with GC lan games is plug your GC into your cable modem select lan play and bam your online

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Originally posted by Shin Johnpv
they said all youll have to do with GC lan games is plug your GC into your cable modem select lan play and bam your online

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And why is Nintendo not advertising this? Why are they saying "We don't believe the time is right for online gaming" if they are, in fact, making online games?

It's not that I don't think it could happen, but it doesn't make sense for the company to downplay online gaming so much when questioned about it, then implement it as a "hidden feature." If they had a Mario Kart game online, they'd be shouting it from the four corners of the Earth. Why would they keep this a secret, while the press was pestering them at E3 saying how far they are lagging behind Sony and Microsoft because of their Luddite attitude towards online gaming?

Answer: They wouldn't, because they haven't implemented it into this game.

I do think GameSpy will probably concoct some way for you to get online with the game (via a tunneling program on your PC), but it's not going to have comprehensive ranking ladders and online memory card swapping and all that other good stuff, unless it was programmed for that purpose.

Fuck, if this is going to be the case then why the hell isn't Nintendo running with it? Well anyway, looks like I'll probably be getting a BBA then, but damn is Nintendo is stupid as hell.

Agent X, you're out of your element.
clearly you're just speculating when you have literally no fuckin idea what's going on.

anyways, Iwata is running the show now, so expect the company to do a lot of 180's.

im sure they'll advertise it as an online game once they actually start advertising.

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Originally posted by Lucas Barton
Agent X, you're out of your element.
clearly you're just speculating when you have literally no fuckin idea what's going on.

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Looks like he's just using common sense :p

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anyways, Iwata is running the show now, so expect the company to do a lot of 180's.

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Oh yeah, I guess that explains why he was completely out of it when the entire media and legions of fans were dying to hear exactly that at E3 :confused:

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Originally posted by Agent X
And why is Nintendo not advertising this? Why are they saying "We don't believe the time is right for online gaming" if they are, in fact, making online games?

It's not that I don't think it could happen, but it doesn't make sense for the company to downplay online gaming so much when questioned about it, then implement it as a "hidden feature." If they had a Mario Kart game online, they'd be shouting it from the four corners of the Earth. Why would they keep this a secret, while the press was pestering them at E3 saying how far they are lagging behind Sony and Microsoft because of their Luddite attitude towards online gaming?

Answer: They wouldn't, because they haven't implemented it into this game.

I do think GameSpy will probably concoct some way for you to get online with the game (via a tunneling program on your PC), but it's not going to have comprehensive ranking ladders and online memory card swapping and all that other good stuff, unless it was programmed for that purpose.

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did you read my post

just say you didnt cause i know you didnt

Gamespy has allready said the games are online

Gamespy has allready said they dont need to make a tunneling program for it that theres no need cause you just plug it into your modem and go

Gamespy are the ones who programmed the lan software for Mario Kart and all the other online games

theyre ones saying whats in there

this really isnt that hard to understand

you can read about it here and here

and in case people dont actually click the links

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Today I went to the Gamespy booth to conduct a small and simple interview with GameSpy's President, Jon Epstein. After exchanging business cards, the questions began.

The word "tunneling" was introduced to many gamers with the software that Gamespy released for Halo and many of other Xbox games that didn't utilize Xbox Live but did use LAN.

Tunneling IS NOT being used for any of Nintendo's upcoming LAN utilized games. The information which came to me as a huge shock, is actually better than it sounds. According to Gamespy, Nintendo came to them about a year ago for LAN software. Nintendo did not want to use "tunneling, because it would require gamers excessive hardware such as hooking up multiple cables, computers, hubs, and what not.

Instead, Mr. Epstein, went on to reveal that Nintendo will be using Gamespy developed "in-game" software. Much is not known about this except the fact that all gamers have to do is hook an internet cord from the Gamecube to their broadband modem and that's it. You are online as soon as you plug in the ethernet cord and choose the LAN option.

I repeat: "tunneling" will not be used and extra hubs, computers, and extra ethernet cords will not be needed as Nintendo wanted to keep it simple. It is simple in-game software that will be used in upcoming Nintendo LAN games.

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Oh yeah, I guess that explains why he was completely out of it when the entire media and legions of fans were dying to hear exactly that at E3 :confused:

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eh, sure they could say online games are on the way, but you know Nintendo. they don't talk unless they have to.

Maybe their not tooting their horns because this is more of an experiment for Nintendo then a full blown plan. I think they want to see how things go. This is or would be Nintendo's first real online capable game. Anyways its Nintendo....so who really thinks they know how they think. Not even Miss Cleo could determine Nintendo's next move.

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Originally posted by Andy
Fuck, if this is going to be the case then why the hell isn't Nintendo running with it? Well anyway, looks like I'll probably be getting a BBA then, but damn is Nintendo is stupid as hell.

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i think they are being dumb as hell about this

and they should be advertising it that its online

but hey just because they arent its not going to stop me from enjoying mario kart online


i agree though they should have said something at E3
all though gamespy did and everyone just ignored them


maybe like lucas said theyll advertise it when the game comes out

it does seem as though theyve changed their tune since E3 maybe theyll feeling the backlash of not announcing it at E3 because at E3 iwata basically said well do it when we want to
and now recently he said in an interview an announcemtn would be coming soon

so maybe theyve realised they fucked up on not showing off what gamespy has done