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Originally posted by Kidnemo
I understand what you're saying, but to just play devils advocate.

A majority of people that are buying strat guides are buying them because of the game it covers, not because of who writes it.

"Damn, ECM wrote another strat guide, and this one is on BeyBlade! I'll have to pick this up and check it out...even though I don't own the game!"

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I understand what you're saying too, but he didn't specify that people weren't buying stuff specifically because it was ECM writing it.

He said no one wants to read stuff from him anymore. Regardless of what he's writing, people are reading it and the original post has it all wrong. Besides, there aren't many, if any, writers/editors in this industry that have a strong magazine following at all anymore. Does anyone go out and buy magazine "X" because they love the way ___ _____ writes? Maybe this was more prevalent a decade ago, but it's much less so now.

In any event, I'd warrant that Eric's name is nearly as popular as anyone in the industry - even with the GameGO! implosion.

If he "applied" as an editor to EGM, do you think they'd hire him? :)

I think so.

haohmaru, you OBVIOUSLY misunderstood what I said. I said, "nobody wants to read magazines from him anymore"... and judging from the fact that both GameFan GameGO failed, I'd say that my statement was not out of line. In fact, he even said that the games he enjoys are falling out of favor with the general public, so I'd assume that even he realizes that he can't sell a magazine with his taste in games. It may not be his name that drives people away from the magazine, but his taste in games. He realizes this, I think.

You said that people are buying strategy guides with his name on it... yes... strategy guides. Strategy guides != magazines. Read what I wrote again... I specifically said "magazines".

Like I said, Im happy that he seems to be doing decent. I really dont have any malice for the guy. However, facts are facts. He's headed the ship on two failed magazines, two magazines which touted basically the same old-school hardCORE line. Nobody buys those anymore... except for TNL of course.

Goddamnit, I'm late.

Dave Halverson is an asshole. "Britney's Dance Beat is the kind of game that takes moments to learn, but a lifetime to master."

And have a belated shut the fuck up, n00b. Welcome.

*is guilty of buying the Shinobi and Rygar strat guides solely because ECM wrote them*

*sweat*

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Originally posted by Dolemite
"Don't be so quick to walk away
Dance with me
I wanna rock your body, please stay
Dance with me
You don't have to admit you, wanna play
Dance with me
Just let me rock you, 'til the break of day
Dance with me"

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I love that song... sick beat.:p

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Originally posted by diffusionx
haohmaru, you OBVIOUSLY misunderstood what I said. I said, "nobody wants to read magazines from him anymore"... and judging from the fact that both GameFan GameGO failed, I'd say that my statement was not out of line. In fact, he even said that the games he enjoys are falling out of favor with the general public, so I'd assume that even he realizes that he can't sell a magazine with his taste in games. It may not be his name that drives people away from the magazine, but his taste in games. He realizes this, I think.

You said that people are buying strategy guides with his name on it... yes... strategy guides. Strategy guides != magazines. Read what I wrote again... I specifically said "magazines".

Like I said, Im happy that he seems to be doing decent. I really dont have any malice for the guy. However, facts are facts. He's headed the ship on two failed magazines, two magazines which touted basically the same old-school hardCORE line. Nobody buys those anymore... except for TNL of course.

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Next Gen failed, Gamer's Republic failed, hell, a TON of magazines have failed - for you to insinuate that the sole cause of either GameFan or GameGO failing being ECM's readership or writing skill is just plain ignorant. GameFan and GameGO failed for different reasons, but most of those reasons were marked by either a gross abuse of finances or a woeful lack of finances. Neither failed because ECM was at the helm and there was interest enough in both magazines for them to be successful had circumstances been different.

In any case, my point was to make an illustration that you don't know what you're talking about - and I think that's abundantly clear. When you're wearing my shoes or his, you'll be more qualified to determine why and what caused GameFan and GameGO to fail.

And the answer is a lot longer than three letters. :P

It's pretty funny when the people involved in GG are the least bitter.

It's like Bizzaro Universe again.

I read all the mentioned magazines, but I really enjoyed Gamefan, as the screenshots of the games were always big and vibrant

BTW, Frogacuda, didn't you used to be on EFNet? one of the bots in the channel turned up this:

·SEGA· Frogacuda (~monkeybal@nat01-3qd-ext.Rutgers.EDU) was last seen quitting from #retrogamers 183 days, 16 hours, 42 minutes ago stating (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Like I said, Im happy that he seems to be doing decent. I really dont have any malice for the guy. However, facts are facts. He's headed the ship on two failed magazines, two magazines which touted basically the same old-school hardCORE line. Nobody buys those anymore... except for TNL of course.

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You seriously can't pin GF on him. I've told you guys what happened multiple times and it came as just a big a shock to him as anyone else. The subs for GF were increasing for 3-4 months before the end.

Oh well. I guess I dont know what Im talking about. I stand corrected!

BUT, I would say, judging from that post, that ECM does feel that way about his magazines, his taste in games, whatever. That it just cant be successful in today's gaming world.

And, well, to be quite frank, if that means that we don't get cover stories praising junk like Hoshigami or Stretch Panic... well... but like I said, Im glad he's doing alright now.

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Originally posted by Brisco Bold
I love that song... sick beat.:p

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You know, it goes against everything I stand for, but I can't disagree. I mean, the beat-boxing is weak, and the part where he says he's going to have me naked by the end of the song is like, y'know, no, but the rest is cool.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
BUT, I would say, judging from that post, that ECM does feel that way about his magazines, his taste in games, whatever. That it just cant be successful in today's gaming world.

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I'm not sure I agree. I don't think that it's necessarily that people share his opinions, but the fact that they're entertaining to read. I'd rather read him trash Shenmue or something else I love than many of the reviewers/editors out there in their praise of it. Like Nick Rox before him, it didn't matter whether he was on Pluto with his judgement from time to time, his obvious passion for the subject at hand in place of the usual too-cool detachment made gaming literature something fun to read rather than just the usual purchase-research.

And I think he was hit or miss with his opinions, but he definitely knew his stuff. You can cite Stretch Panic, but in that same issue he praises DC Record of Lodoss War to the skies, which is something I may have passed over as another lame otaku cash-in, but I had an absolute blast with it.