Agreed, but Rand argues that there's definitely more to "fine art" than just communication.Quote:
Originally posted by Regus
Well, as far as I know "art" is just the communication of an idea, so photography falls into that catagory.
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Agreed, but Rand argues that there's definitely more to "fine art" than just communication.Quote:
Originally posted by Regus
Well, as far as I know "art" is just the communication of an idea, so photography falls into that catagory.
Eh, I hate talking art theory. So many people act like they have the inside scoop as to what art is about. It all comes down to personal opinions. The opinions of the Critics, Artists, & Viewers are all different. Any Theorist out there is going to be called a phony by some other theorist that "Knows" what art is all about. And so on. Personally, if an artist needs a 10 page manifesto to get his point across, I question the effectiveness of his or her art.
If it makes you stop in your tracks and think, smile, or wonder how someone could make that, it is good art.
JM
Oh man, I love Sargent! I saw a huge collection of his work at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston -- I think they were showing all the landscapes he did near the end of his life, when he got fed up doing portraits. Boston is really the place to see Sargent's work; between the Gardner and the MFA you can see most of his best stuff, including this one which is my personal favorite:Quote:
Originally posted by JM
John Singer Sargent - From a few feet away, his paintings look photo realistic, get a few inches away & you can see the wonderfuly messy brush strokes done in very thick paint. Simply amazing.
http://www.inter-art.com/images/bilder/op/2105.jpg
Such personality! I love it.
That cathedral is one of the most awe-inspiring things I've seen in my life. For those of you who haven't seen it, it's really difficult to explain just how mindblowing the glasswork is. It's even more amazing when you realize it's been there for over seven hundred years.Quote:
Originally posted by diffusionx
This is from Chartres in France.
You really need to check out the Cluny Monastery in Paris one of these days, diff.
And now for some paintings, and stuff.
All of these can be seen in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC, so if you've never been, do yourself a favor and go.
I really love some of these European paintings which deal in some religious themes, there a ton of these black and white oil paints and such in the met that are cool, but I didn't list them because the provided pictures weren't detailed enough.
There are so many amazing peices (over 2,000!) it's hard to choose which ones to display here.
http://www.kgi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/pi...4/paninni2.jpg
Ancient Rome, by Giovanni Paolo Panini
This painting blew me away when I saw it for the first time. The attention to detail is simply staggering. Not only does he incorporate all those amazing paintings, but he even tosses in some sculptures just for good measure, including both Athandoros, Hagesandros, and Polydoros of Rhodes and the Dying Gaul statues I posted before!
This is a pendant to "Modern Rome" and shows the most famous ancient monuments in the city. It was painted for Count de Stainville, later the Duke de Choiseul, who is shown in the center with a guidebook in hand. Panini shows himself behind the chair. The figures are admiring a copy of the "Aldobrandini Wedding"—one of the most admired ancient frescoes. The Pantheon, the Coliseum, Trajan's column, the Farnese Hercules, and the Laocoön can be readily identified.
http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/~rmayeri/le...ce/planets.jpg
Allegory of the Planets and Continents by Giovanni Tiepolo
This picture, Tiepolo's largest and most dazzling oil sketch, shows Apollo about to embark on his daily course across the sky. Deities around the sun god symbolize the planets and allegorical figures on the cornice represent the four continents. Tiepolo presented this preliminary sketch to Carl Philipp von Greiffenklau, the prince-bishop of Würzburg, on April 20, 1752, as his proposal for the decoration of the vast staircase ceiling of the Residenz, often considered the artist's greatest achievement. The figures in grisaille at the corners were executed on the ceiling in stucco by the decorator-sculptor Antonio Bossi.
http://www.metmuseum.org/collections...0.83.bw.L_.jpg
Madonna and Child Enthroned with Saints Mary Magdalen and John the Baptist, by Giuliano di Piero di Simone Bugiardini
http://www.metmuseum.org/collections...1.443.bw.L.jpg
Allegory of Avarice, by Jacopo Ligozzi
http://www.metmuseum.org/collections...9.38.bw.L_.jpg
Venice: Santa Maria della Salute, by Canaletto (Giovanni Antonio Canal)
http://www.metmuseum.org/collections...00.81.bw.L.jpg
Salome with the Head of Saint John the Baptist, by Andrea Solario
http://www.metmuseum.org/collections...2.14.bw.L_.jpg
Saint Matthew and the Angel, by Giovanni Girolamo Savoldo
http://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/2000/...img/panini.jpg
Modern Rome, Giovanni Paolo Panini
Panini strikes again, this time showing off modern Rome.
Among Panini's most brilliant inventions are this picture and its pendant, "Ancient Rome." They contrive to show the most famous monuments of the city as paintings arranged in a sumptuous gallery. They were painted for the great French collector, Count de Stainville, later the Duke de Choiseul, who was ambassador to Rome between 1753 and 1757. The artist is in an armchair. Among the most famous works are Michelangelo's "Moses" and Bernini's statues of "Constantine," "David," "Apollo" and "Daphne," and his fountains in the Piazza Navona. Panini also shows his own, unexecuted, proposal for the design of the Spanish Steps.
http://www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/ap...idsocrates.jpg
The Death of Socrates, by Jacques-Louis David
I love the guy leaning against the arch wall, there is so much emotion there it's amazing.
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_40.174.1.jpg
The Last Judgment, by Joos van Cleve
In this ambitious depiction of the Last Judgment, the upper and lower zones of the composition are linked by two angels with fantastic multicolored wings and swirling garments who blow lily-shaped trumpets. Christ appears at the moment of judgment in a burst of light and color, surrounded by apostles and a host of winged putti, interspersed with folds of voluminous clouds. The effect of this brilliant radiance and variegated color is in sharp contrast to the subdued tones and relative monochrome in the area reserved for the mass of humanity, awaiting judgment below. That the Virgin Mary and Saint John the Baptist—traditional intercessors between the heavenly and earthly realm—do not appear indicates that Christ judges alone. This change in the hierarchical arrangement of the scene may signify that the panel was made for a Protestant-leaning patron. The figure of Christ seems to be inspired by the ancient sculptural group of the Laocoön, and the poses of some of the nudes reflect the study of Italian prints after Raphael's designs. This Italianate character, together with the soft figure types and lively, somewhat dissonant color scheme, are some of the elements that have led to the attribution of this work to Joos van Cleve. In this ambitious representation of the Last Judgment, a subject not otherwise treated by Joos, the artist combined Italianate models with a distinctly Northern rendition of the Mannerist style.
http://www.metmuseum.org/collections.../ep10.73.L.jpg
Wolf and Fox Hunt, by Peter Paul Rubens
This little jpg doesn't do this work justice, since the original so big. Check out more of his work and a few other guys here: http://www2.truman.edu/~capter/jins343/baro.htm
Okay, that's it for now, I got tired of digging through the met's massive data base, I know there's a ton of cool stuff I missed.
Sorry man, I wasn't trying to jack your thread. I think art theory and the philosophy of it can make for interesting discussion....Quote:
Originally posted by JM
Eh, I hate talking art theory. So many people act like they have the inside scoop as to what art is about. It all comes down to personal opinions. The opinions of the Critics, Artists, & Viewers are all different. Any Theorist out there is going to be called a phony by some other theorist that "Knows" what art is all about. And so on. Personally, if an artist needs a 10 page manifesto to get his point across, I question the effectiveness of his or her art.
If it makes you stop in your tracks and think, smile, or wonder how someone could make that, it is good art.
JM
....but it's never as enjoyable or productive as just checking out some great works, not to mention creating yourself.
Regus: Beautiful stuff. I've never been to NYC, but when I get there, the Met will be my first stop.
If you do go, here's one peice of advice, be sure to check out the museum's website before you go and plan out what you want to see most. Because it's really easy to just wander around and waste a ton of time in some of the exhibits. The place is so damn big that when I went, me and a friend would walk through the same areas over and over again in a circle, yet see new things eatch time.Quote:
Originally posted by BioMechanic
Regus: Beautiful stuff. I've never been to NYC, but when I get there, the Met will be my first stop.
This is one amazing thread. Thank's, JM!
I must admit some of my favorite art is architecture. Especially of the gothic church variety. And particularly of the Byzanntinian Orthodox variety.
Here's a picture of the most beautiful Orthodox church I could find. They all have the same layout, though, so they tend not to differ too much from one another.
http://www.romanorthodox.com/graphics/cathedral4.jpg
The 11 archways at the front of the sanctuary are illuminated with the patron saint of the particular church, Mary the mother of Jesus, Jesus as a man, Jesus resurected (with wings), and two angels at archs 2 and 10 which are doors for the acolytes. The center archway is a door where only the priest is allowed to go, but is usually opened for all to see the cross and images of Christ.
Simply beautiful. I do believe, however, that Catholic churches are much more awe inspiring...but diffx already touched on that, and some people are getting their panties in a bunch about bandwidth.
Most of my stuff of late has been bland arts/craft stuff and greeting cards (requested). I hope to start a original piece soon to flex a little creativity, if it turns out well I'll scan it. *-neoQuote:
Originally posted by JM
Neo, have you been working on anything lately. I've seen some of your stuff in the Galleria & it is very nice. I want to see more.
JM
No Worries! I wasn't trying to bitch at you, I was just stating my distaste for theory. That's just my personal stance, that's all.Quote:
Originally posted by BioMechanic
Sorry man, I wasn't trying to jack your thread. I think art theory and the philosophy of it can make for interesting discussion....
....but it's never as enjoyable or productive as just checking out some great works, not to mention creating yourself
JM
http://cas1.elis.rug.ac.be/avrug/beeld04/luctleo.jpg
Luc Tuymans 'Leopard' 2001
http://www.christies.com/images/depa...a/9782_337.jpg
Alex Katz 'Blue Umbrella #2' 1972
http://www.thearchitectpainter.com/M...ark125.350.jpg
Richard Diebenkorn 'Ocean Park #125' 1980
http://images.forbes.com/images/2001...ey_377x392.jpg
David Hockney 'A Bigger Splash' 1967
http://www.thecityreview.com/f99scont3.gif
Mark Rothko 'No. 15' 1952
http://www.ifa.de/a/a1/foto/pics/real_demand.jpg
Thomas Demand 'Detail II' 1996 (photograph of paper sculpture)
http://www.manuscript.org/graphics/nymtg4.jpg
Jeff Koons 'Michael Jackson and Bubbles' 1988
http://www.exporevue.com/images/maga..._install01.jpghttp://www.exporevue.com/images/maga..._install02.jpg
James Turrell 'The Other Horizon' 1998 (Light work. Two views of room.)
http://www.imagearts.ryerson.ca/arth...20of%20may.JPG
Francisco De Goya 'Third of May 1808' 1814
http://discipline.free.fr/peint/schiele_scornful.jpg
Egon Schiele 'Scornful Woman' 1910
http://www.sitesantafe.org/beaumonde...murakami_1.jpg
Takashi Murakami 'Blue Black' 1998
http://www.hasselbladcenter.se/utsta...0Wall/Milk.jpg
Jeff Wall 'Milk' 1984