Global Democratic Revolution

I agree then.

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Originally Posted by Tracer

All I know is that it would work in Texas, but then.. it is the size of most European countries or greater. I think such a thing is needed here at least. Like I said, I'm not fleshing things out, I'm not even actually proposeing such a thing because I know good and well that even if it does work out logistically/financially/beneficially that it would not get done.

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Diffusion beat me to it. :)

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Tracer, it would work in Texas, just like it would work in California... in New Jersey we have a great transit system. But thats thanks to the NJ DOT, not the Federal Government. The Great State of Texas should be the one who recognizes this need and funds the construction of a rail system to benefit Texans.

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Imagine going from L.A. to San Fran quickly. Or L.A. to Chico in one day with time to spare.

At the speed of those trains, I could find work across Texas and not have the absolute need to relocate.

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Originally Posted by Tracer

At the speed of those trains, I could find work across Texas and not have the absolute need to relocate.

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How about Texas skips the cost of those trains, takes the money, and puts it back into the business community so you can get a job in your home town and not have to commute 2 hours every day?

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Originally Posted by Gohron

And finally, I think it was Gidbits (sorry if I got your name wrong) who brought up the training of Iraqi soldiers by the US. The misconception here is that we taught Bin Laden his trade, which is partially true but mostly not. During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan the CIA helped train Afghani rebels to fight the Soviets, not to set up plots to crash planes into buildings. Why is it that our support of the Afghani rebels is so looked down upon yet nobody every brings up the fact that Soviet advisors trained North Vietnamese regulars and provided them with the weapons they needed to massacre 3 million South Vietnamese civilians? I personally am supportive of our actions in Vietnam yet I completely disagree with how they were carried out. Was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan any different?

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Saddam was trained by them too. And no, that doesn't mean I agree what the Soviet uniion did was right... all it means is they both fucked up.

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Originally Posted by Tracer

We need a defence budget. I wouldn't places bets on nothing happening even if nothing did, the odds are aginst it and even if odds weren't the cost is too great to bear is something DID happen. Defence is an evetuality that even a nation like Finland endures spending money on.

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I know we need it, I'm saying that it's disgusting that we do.

Either way, however, the use of those go further than that as I outlined earlier. I'm not some train fanatic that figures it would be cool to have some "nice shiny trains."

Polution: Houston has the worst air. It also has no regulation on industry and, to compound the situation there is currently no rail and current rail projects are pathetic and useless (a thing I would like if I were keen on pretty trains).

Road conditions and upkeep: The nice interstate system mentioned earlier is crumbling due to over use here. It comprises most of the City of Houstons budget just to maintain the portions in the city.

There is no relyable public transortation in San Antonio, Houston and (possibly, I'm not sure) Dallas. Austin is small enough to not have this problem though it's traffic is by far the worst.

Industrial rail is in decay. Only two lines opperate in Houston (leading into the Port of Houston) and this city is the ONLY major source of import/export in Texas.

These are reasons. The construction of this in anycase does also provide jobs, fills basic needs for the present and most certianly the future (my senerio is only one - jobs are available, just not close by - Houston itself take more than an hour to traverse... not unlike LA) and it will not just create jobs building it, sustaining it and operating it, but it will also move people around (freeways bring in jobs - proven fact. Sugar Land, TX was a Sugar Town... that's all it was. A factory. Now it's considered the Beverly Hills of Houston. A fucking Freeway and smart real estate did that) more effectiently and create job AROUND it though not directly related to the actual buliding or operation of this rail.

"Right, wrong, smart, stupid - you've got less influence, less money, and fewer guns. You are fucked."

I'm sure those were George HW's words to Saddam as we left in '91.

If college prepares you to spout such intelligent lines as this, where the hell do I sign up?! I'd say the above quotation really puts things (most notably the only thing America has been able to standardize: ignorant and insensitive patriotic arrogance) into perspective.

At least the world will be a better place once the folks who think/talk/act in the spirit of the above quotation get their way. Maybe we'll be able to have slaves again too!

Pa

The world would be a better place if it was cleansed of all the morons who thought might is right.... The only thing thats right is human progression, bigger gun big fucking deal, I;ve got a good health care system, and I'd much rather see people helped than shot. It's a shame diffx, that you are one of the reasons americans are thought of so badly internationally. to all americans who arent so ignorant I appologise in advance, you're really great neighbours, and it's a shame we have to take the good with the bad.

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Originally Posted by PaCrappa

"Right, wrong, smart, stupid - you've got less influence, less money, and fewer guns. You are fucked."

If college prepares you to spout such intelligent lines as this, where the hell do I sign up?! I'd say the above quotation really puts things (most notably the only thing America has been able to standardize: ignorant and insensitive patriotic arrogance) into perspective.

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I think college taught me to say that and not "My country can kick your country's ass." It's insensitive patriotic arrogance, but it's not ignorant.

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At least the world will be a better place once the folks who think/talk/act in the spirit of the above quotation get their way. Maybe we'll be able to have slaves again too!

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Go fuck yourself. The spirit of the above quotation is the spirit of the Union crushing the Rebels ("you've got less influence, less money, and fewer guns."). It's anti-slavery and anti-government - same thing in a lot of cases.

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The world would be a better place if it was cleansed of all the morons who thought might is right

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It's funny because it's ironic. Anyways, I figure the "might is right" people could take the "might is icky, I like flowers" people in a straight-up fight.

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Originally Posted by PaCrappa

If college prepares you to spout such intelligent lines as this, where the hell do I sign up?!

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The liberal slant of college campuses is well know and quite well documented. I can point to many many examples of such things on this campus. My roommate last year would get frequent emails from his professors urging him to go to anti-war protests/dont sign the recall petition/who the fuck knows what else. And these are theatre classes. Goddammit you pay your professors to teach the subject you sign up for, not to ram their politicial "ideas" down your throat. If that happened to me I would file a complaint with the school immediately. Thankfully since I am a student of mathematics I do not have to deal with this bullshit.

Colleges are churning out brainless male-haters/liberals every single year, and the only reason you're not seeing more of them as you get older is because it takes life experience to weed such nonsense out of your brain. Was it Churchill who said that thing about being a liberal at age 20 versus age 40?

Thankfully my parents instilled in me well-defined ideas like the uselessness of government beyond a limited scope (no I dont want any of the general government benefits provided for in Europe) and the power of a military versus the 'make love not war' idiots so I am more or less immune to that trash. I dont want the police to protect me, give me a goddamn gun so I can do it myself.