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Heard this super-late last night, just before I went to bed, and it probably kept me up another half-hour with giddiness. I started to think we'd never catch either Hussein or Bin-Laden, the fact that we just unexpectedly got one of them like this out of nowhere was a very pleasant suprise.
Hopefully after the US gets whatever information they can out of him, he'll be put to trial for his crimes by the Iraqi people and he spends the rest of his days in some dank hole somewhere.
Today will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of Saddam, it will soon see the end of the rebellion...
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Not disagreeing about why most labs take forever...but I'm pretty sure the actual test takes some time. It's not as simple as something like a pregnancy test.Quote:
Originally Posted by 680x0
Thanks Nightwolve for making me feel special. I thought my post had been lost to no reply. :p Does anyone really think this is going to change the situation over there? It's obvious that Saddam was doing nothing and I doubt that those responsible for the bombings and attacks will stop now that he has been caught. They are fighting against the US, not for Saddam. I don't see why I should be happy about this, at least to the extent that everyone else on this board seems to be. I'm glad he's out of power now, but he's never really done anything to me or this country, except be partner to it on occasion. I think a lot of people are going to be happy because this seems to justify this American invasion, not that a evil dictator is out of the way. And I know someone is going to pull out the "Aren't you Iranian? Shouldn't you be glad he's captured?" That really has nothing to do with it. As I said, it's a good thing he's been captured, I SUPPOSE, because hopefully now Americans will get back to more important things, like this country.
SC
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Originally Posted by Master
Dude I was ready to declare my hapines with his capture yet what was I greeted with when I entered the thread?
Fucking Yoshi acting in his usual fucking retarded way.
It was a direct unprovokated attack at me personaly, what the fuck was I suposed to do you twit?
They got him. Another blood-soaked regime bites the dust, and it's high fucking time that Saddam reaps what he has sown. Lock him up and melt down the key.
You can't spell Saddam without S-A-D. Fair enough, since he's a sad motherfucker.
No matter what your views on this war are, this is great news.
However, I'm a bit worried about letting Iraq try him. If you were the Judge, would you be comfortable sentancing a ruthless leader to death in his own home town, home to many of his extreme followers?
I wouldn't worry, if the Iraqi courts fail, he'll be tried in an international court for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
You're quite welcome :). It aggravated me abit so I was forced to respond :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecowboy
Maybe it will, maybe it won't. You were perhaps expecting instant results? Right now, having one less uncertainty, his whereabouts, IS a good thing. Baath Loyalists, if in the fight, may be somewhat demoralized. I'm uncertain either way, but you seem to be certain none of 'em are Baath Loyalists fighting for Saddam. Right then, they're all just nationalists fighting against the imperialist occupier... That would explain them sabotaging their own oil pipelines and power plants. Really looking out for their fellow Iraqi countrymen there...Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecowboy
I mean, some Iraqis can at least express relief; less fear of reprisals, which in turn could increase their cooperation... If it doesn't change, hell, it doesn't change... The troops will have to work harder at cracking down on those responsible for the attacks. Their morale will at least go up...
Well, don't forget to remind everyone we once worked with him... Of course, Russia and France's hands are clean, it's just us. I mean, it would only be the 100th time I've read that from you and Almaci... Has that been some kind of attempt to hold the current president Bush accountable for past American foreign policy? Or does that attempt to take away from the fact Russia and France were his partners in the here and now, so us calling them on it makes us hypocrites? I dunno, is Bush not allowed to reverse a past policy of supporting a scumbag because what? That would be hypocrisy? What, him having done this it's upsetting because of the inconsistency it creates in ~20 years of American foreign policy? I'm just really curious as to your motives for posting that. We did boot him from Kuwaitt, so it's not like there was a concern we'd be "buddies" with him again. If the motive is the hope that the US never repeats such policy decisions, then fine, it's commendable and I'm just overreacting. But you bring it up when this current president is doing the exact opposite. It's like, are you then complimenting Bush for the action of deposing Saddam and not "partnering" with him? You see why it gets confusing...Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecowboy
Gee, SC, ya know, many mass-murderers around the world never really did anything to me personally or this country (which I disagree with about Iraq), but that doesn't seem to prevent me from expressing happiness at their demise ;). It's confusing though, you say not as happy as the rest of us. How "happy" do you think we are? It just seems like you can't lay down your ideological opposition for a second, even with the fact that a ruthless mass-murderer will hopefully never be able to hurt anyone again. I suppose I'd have to walk in your shoes to understand that...
Some yes, some no... I don't know how one arrives at "a lot" or any figure for that matter. So, this is what bothers you about his capture? Who cares if they're happy for reasons you don't like; an evil dictator IS out of the way. Unless of course it turns out to be his body-double ;). Anyway, even if we found the WMDs, I doubt you would be satisfied regarding "justification." I think you simply lay that argument out to change the mind of those that supported the war... But man, one day of no nitpicking was just not possible it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecowboy
Well, I'm ready to give up on trying to understand your response man. And, I really don't get how you could say being an Iranian has nothing to do with it. You've brought up that the US once partnered with him, which was against Iran, but you seem to express more resentment against the US than him. That fact must make it more personal for you, I would think...Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecowboy
Alright, so, you suppose it's a good thing if it leads to Americans getting back to more important things? And so, if it doesn't, it's not that much of a good thing? :) That is of course a great benefit to his capture, but I dunno, the condition of "getting back to more important things" you're placing to qualify it as a "good thing" doesn't seem right. That's a benefit, not a condition to me... It's as simple as he's one less scumbag out of power.
Really, I think you're just trying to downplay the significance of it cause of Bush. Your indifference is odd. Well, whatever, I'm exhausted of this now ;). I think after all the arguing on this board before and after war started, I lost some of the enjoyment I'd feel now... Almaci's endless ranting, second guessing, bickering, bumping of 5 war-related topics in one day, etc. worked in devalueing what simply should be a happy day. Not to mention the rest of the anti-war ppl in media... If that was the goal, it worked to an extent. You can't feel that much happiness with all the apathy, pessimism, gloom and doom, snickering that they produced (assuming you had time to follow the news alot)... I really can't help but agree with Yoshi's response... Why depose ruthless genocidal dictators if you're gonna produce relentess anti-war protesters around the world like that? That block traffic, block supplies to troops, argue every fucking day of their miserable fucking life, exhausting/aggravating/agitating the fuck out of everyone else? The threat posed to ppl's sanity around the world is greater than what Saddam did, frankly ;). No, I changed my mind, it is a bittersweet day.
Well no one is going to be fighting for Saddam now. Anyways, I think the area is becoming a breeding ground for fundamentalism, spurred on by the American occupation. So yeah, the ones fighting are nationalists fighting against imperialism. That's the whole idea behind what they're doing. And I suppose destroying their countries infrastructure would be along the lines of "we'd rather they be destroyed than let the US have them." Then again, that's just speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightWolve
I'm not French or Russian so there's the explanation for that. And you act as if this "past" policy is so long ago. Most of the people back then are the ones involved now. As you know, I'll always be skeptical of the reasons for this war. It's just sad that the US is just going to continue screwing with a foreign policy record that is already bad enough.Quote:
Well, don't forget to remind everyone we once worked with him... Of course, Russia and France's hands are clean, it's just us. I mean, it would only be the 100th time I've read that from you and Almaci... Has that been some kind of attempt to hold the current president Bush accountable for past American foreign policy? Or does that attempt to take away from the fact Russia and France were his partners in the here and now, so us calling them on it makes us hypocrites? I dunno, is Bush not allowed to reverse a past policy of supporting a scumbag because what? That would be hypocrisy? What, him having done this it's upsetting because of the inconsistency it creates in ~20 years of American foreign policy? I'm just really curious as to your motives for posting that. We did boot him from Kuwaitt, so it's not like there was a concern we'd be "buddies" with him again. If the motive is the hope that the US never repeats such policy decisions, then fine, it's commendable and I'm just overreacting. But you bring it up when this current president is doing the exact opposite. It's like, are you then complimenting Bush for the action of deposing Saddam and not "partnering" with him? You see why it gets confusing...
Like I said, I'm glad he's been captured. I'd feel the same way about any "evil" dictator. And that's what he is, not a mass murderer, it's not like he personally killed all those people. But he did give the go ahead so... Anyways, I'm not going to go out praise the lord that he's gone because only Iraqi's can truly feel what it's like to have him as a leader. I'll be happy like that when Bush is gone. ;)Quote:
Gee, SC, ya know, many mass-murderers around the world never really did anything to me personally or this country (which I disagree with about Iraq), but that doesn't seem to prevent me from expressing happiness at their demise ;). It's confusing though, you say not as happy as the rest of us. How "happy" do you think we are? It just seems like you can't lay down your ideological opposition for a second, even with the fact that a ruthless mass-murderer will hopefully never be able to hurt anyone again. I suppose I'd have to walk in your shoes to understand that...
At this point, finding WMD is irrelevant. It's obvious that our government had no idea what they were doing when they entered. I doubt any weapons will ever be found. We went to this war under false pretense for, in my opinion, alterior motives. But we've already had that discussion.Quote:
Some yes, some no... I don't know how one arrives at "a lot" or any figure for that matter. So, this is what bothers you about his capture? Who cares if they're happy for reasons you don't like; an evil dictator IS out of the way. Unless of course it turns out to be his body-double ;). Anyway, even if we found the WMDs, I doubt you would be satisfied regarding "justification." I think you simply lay that argument out to change the mind of those that supported the war... But man, one day of no nitpicking was just not possible it seems.
Try not to overanalyze what I'm saying. I'm tired of listening to politicians rant and rave about terrorism, homeland invasion, war in iraq, blah, blah, blah. My life hasn't changed for the better at all because of this. It's disappointing that as soon as Bush2 was elected, he what everyone knew he would do. Cut taxes for the rich, increase spending, especially for defense, and take us into a war for no reason. And what do we get out of this? Another colony for us to exploit? Perhaps, things will be different, but until I see it, I'll forever be the eternal pessimist. That's just who I am. :) Thanks for not turning this into a whining argument like so many of these turn out to be.Quote:
Alright, so, you suppose it's a good thing if it leads to Americans getting back to more important things? And so, if it doesn't, it's not that much of a good thing? :) That is of course a great benefit to his capture, but I dunno, the condition of "getting back to more important things" you're placing to qualify it as a "good thing" doesn't seem right. That's a benefit, not a condition to me... It's as simple as he's one less scumbag out of power.
SC