Big Bang Theory of the Universe's Begining Thrown Into Question

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Originally Posted by OmniGear

I just find it funny that CV never spells the word "sense" correctly. ;)

Is it a Christian thing?

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Dunno. I want to know why nobody on this damned planet can spell "lose" correctly.

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Originally Posted by Calliander

Dunno. I want to know why nobody on this damned planet can spell "lose" correctly.

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I guess because of the phonetics of it. You drop an "o" and it doesn't change the vowel sound, but it changes the ending consonant sound.

I promise to try and spell "sense" correctly from now on. And platipi are not "duck-billed." ;)

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Originally Posted by Captain Vegetable

Yes, it is exactly what it sounds like. Progressive Creationism supposes that evolution could, in fact, take place progressively under the direction of God during His 7 days of creation. It is an extremely common belief held among certain circles in the Christian belief system. Like i said, I came from it.

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Progressive Creationism doesn't neccasarilly mean belief in Evolution guided by God although there is people who believe it. My belief of it is that God created the universe through something like the big-bang. While I'm not sure quite how because I'm still undecided but what could be a day to God could be a million years to us. I'm not saying this is definately the case as I still am undecided between the 6-Day theory and Progressive Creationism but I find both interesting in their own ways.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

Progressive Creationism doesn't neccasarilly mean belief in Evolution guided by God although there is people who believe it. My belief of it is that God created the universe through something like the big-bang. While I'm not sure quite how because I'm still undecided but what could be a day to God could be a million years to us. I'm not saying this is definately the case as I still am undecided between the 6-Day theory and Progressive Creationism but I find both interesting in their own ways.

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Well, you could even take the stance that God created us very close to how we are now, like within 5000 years of evolution (which is only 300 generations). But he gave us reproductive systems that require the input of two sets of genes as "house keeping" so it would require less work on his part to keep things running, as evolution would do it for him. Good design :)

Because there's no way you can argue that evolution doesn't exist, anything otherwise is just plain ignorant. What you can question however is how much it contributed to the creation of life.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Well, you could even take the stance that God created us very close to how we are now, like within 5000 years of evolution (which is only 300 generations). But he gave us reproductive systems that require the input of two sets of genes as "house keeping" so it would require less work on his part to keep things running, as evolution would do it for him. Good design :)

Because there's no way you can argue that evolution doesn't exist, anything otherwise is just plain ignorant. What you can question however is how much it contributed to the creation of life.

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Could be I suppose. I don't think that evolution exists on the broad scale that it does today but many of the concepts behind it even apply to genetic development of living things today.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

You still knew he meant sense, so why does it matter?

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I'm joking around, jeez...

You can only ask "why" and "how" up to a certain point before the answer becomes "just because" or "it just did."

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Originally Posted by Matt

The ball falls off your house each time, which is a fact. However, the theory given to explain this fact is that of gravity, which states that two object attract each other - this is an assumption, and not a fact. In this case, it's been shown that gravity exists and works the way we think it does enough times that almost nobody doubts it. But, that doesn't mean that it's an absolute fact. It's possible, although unlikely, that years down the road we may discover that gravity works completely differently than we thought.

Because of this, it is not possible to "prove" a theory. The best that can be done is to fail to disprove it long enough that it becomes generally accepted. Some theories last longer than others, and some are thought to be disproven, only to be dragged out later as new evidence accumulates.

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I think most of what they need to prove gravity, has been proven through experiments with electromagnetism and centrifical force.

Everything on this planet has an electromagnetic charge. The North pole has a positive charge, while the South Pole has a negative charge. If you place a positively charged ring, around a negative charged globe and spin both of them in opposite directions, you'll create a magnetic field.

The Earth is the same way. The core of the planet is made up of more protons, than electrons so it has a positive polarity(or vise versa) and the crust is made up of more Electrons than protons, so it has a negative charge. The crust spins the opposite direction of the core and they create a magnetic field. Notice how Gold and other metals are the heaviest materials on Earth, because they are more attracted to the magnetic field created. Everything on this planet is composed of minerals. Minerals contain metal ores, thus making everything on this planet, attacted to the ground below it.


I'm sure scientist have pointed this out on many occasions. It's been a while since I've been to a science class, but that's kind of what I remember about the discussion of Gravity.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

I think most of what they need to prove gravity, has been proven through experiments with electromagnetism and centrifical force.

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That's not the point - *no* theory can be proven. By convention, theories can only be disproven, or not disproven. In this case, the theory of gravity was put forth close to 300 years ago, and so far we have failed to disprove it after 3 centuries of constantly putting it to the test. This is a damn good record, and so most people accept it as reality. In an absolute sense, however, gravity is not a fact, but a theory like everything else.

The reason why scientific thought works this way is to acknowledge the fact that we know next to nothing about the universe, and leave room for new possibilities.

Electromagnetism has nothing to do with gravity, BTW. Gravity is the force of attraction that occurs between any two objects with mass, regardless of what they are. Heavy metals are heavier because they're denser - the atoms they're made of have more material in them, so they have greater mass. Magnetic force is something entirely different. AFAIK it's not really known how or why gravity happens, just that it does and that it's predictable (but don't quote me on that).

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Originally Posted by Astroblue

Well, you could even take the stance that God created us very close to how we are now, like within 5000 years of evolution (which is only 300 generations). But he gave us reproductive systems that require the input of two sets of genes as "house keeping" so it would require less work on his part to keep things running, as evolution would do it for him. Good design :)

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Or, you could argue that God created life in a week through an immensely accelerated evolution process, changing one species into another and splitting them up faster than the eye could see! Sort of like fast-forwarding a movie. This idea is fun and would make a great cartoon :D

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Originally Posted by Capt. Veg.

Yes, it is exactly what it sounds like. Progressive Creationism supposes that evolution could, in fact, take place progressively under the direction of God during His 7 days of creation. It is an extremely common belief held among certain circles in the Christian belief system. Like i said, I came from it.

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Ah, I probably am not a Progressive Creationist, then. To be honest, I don't feel it's important to understand exactly how the creation of the world happened, as long as it did. I've never really thought much about relating natural history to Genesis - I'd much rather just experience the world and the Bible the way they present themselves. I trust God knows what he's doing in both cases.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

I guess because of the phonetics of it. You drop an "o" and it doesn't change the vowel sound, but it changes the ending consonant sound.

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Yeah, but like, "loos" versus "looz". Did you "looz" the game or did you "loos" the game? Do they think that "loose" is pronounced "looz"? I don't understand!