Jumping The Shark

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Originally Posted by Sqoon

This one does start a few trends we see a lot now in the new Simpsons (endless self-referencing and in-jokes and an absolutely inhumane approach to the characters). It's still a pretty funny episode (Hank Azaria, who I think did Grimes voice, does a hilarious and fantastic job); don't listen to diffusionx, there are still a few great episodes after this one (the gun episode, the New York episode, the origin of Lisa's Sax epsiode)

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Wait, I remember this episode. At one point wasn't Homer upset that Grimes didn't like him so he invited him over to dinner, which (of course) turned out to be a disaster as well, with Grimes flipping out at how big Homer's house was while he lived in a tiny run-down apartment? I haven't seen that one in a while but I remember it being pretty funny.

Diff, is it that you don't like this episode, or you do and it just signals The Simpsons 'jumping the shark' to you?

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Grimes flipping out at how big Homer's house was while he lived in a tiny run-down apartment?

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He lived in an apartment that was above a bowling alley, that was above another bowling alley.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

Recent eps have brought the show almost back to its former glory.

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This season has been much improved so far... but I wouldn't go that far. Simpsons should have been canceled a while back and Futurama left on the air.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

I think the Simpson Jumped the Shark a long time ago. When you have an episode, where Homer is the mascot for the Springfield baseball team and you find nothing funny about it, you have to wonder if the writing has gone stale.

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Dude... that episode was around season 2 or 3. :wtf:

Yes, I will say the New York episode rules.

Too bad it featured the twin towers so prominently as they don't show it on syndication anymore...

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Originally Posted by Tracer

Actually I really liked that episode. I thought the Simpsons Jumped the Shark when they killed Maude.

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I think that's about where I would put it as well. There really wasn't any good reason to kill her off.

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This one does start a few trends we see a lot now in the new Simpsons (endless self-referencing and in-jokes and an absolutely inhumane approach to the characters). It's still a pretty funny episode (Hank Azaria, who I think did Grimes voice, does a hilarious and fantastic job); don't listen to diffusionx, there are still a few great episodes after this one (the gun episode, the New York episode, the origin of Lisa's Sax epsiode)

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Oh, there were a couple of good episodes after the Grimes episode, but the Grimes episode was a turning point, after which it turned to shit. Simpsons got really shaky and subpar after the Grimes episode, and after a year or two of "subpar", it just got "completely terrible beyond all belief".

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Diff, is it that you don't like this episode, or you do and it just signals The Simpsons 'jumping the shark' to you?

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No. I hate the episode with every fiber of my being. It was the beginning of the end for my favorite show on TV. It was awful. Why did they change Homer so much? There was no reason for it. Why didnt anybody say "hey, wait a minute, Homer's not like this" and then redo the episode? It was just crap. There was no care or anything put into it, it was all done for cheap laughs and the quick joke, and the characters you loved for years can be damned.

And this is exactly what Simpsons became not too long after this episode.

I think the last episode I watched was in Season 10 or 11, it was one where it might have had U2, or any of a million other celebrities theyve trotted out over the years. It was so awful... I just couldnt watch it anymore.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

I think the last episode I watched was in Season 10 or 11, it was one where it might have had U2, or any of a million other celebrities theyve trotted out over the years. It was so awful... I just couldnt watch it anymore.

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I think the celebrity thing is there biggest problem with Jumping the Shark. It went from an every once in a while thing, to a let's fill half the season with celebrities thing, which is pure shit.

They're falling into that trap with this season, although at least the celeb cameos are kept short. The worst one was with the rock and roll camp, ugh, nine billion musicians cracking bad jokes. George Meyer said in an interview once that he wasn't sure when Homer became a complete and total fool, but that it just kind of happened. Thankfully, Homer's intelligence is above an ape during this season, so far anyway.

I do agree that The Simpsons have gone from one of the best show ever to being shit. They really should just kill it off.

They won't though, as the show has too much of a following, and it's the only thing on Fox that gets consistently great ratings.