Has the Unthinkable Happened?

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Originally Posted by bahn

what's more annoying is the fact that the placeholders for the threads are still there. in the future, why not simply just physically remove them from the thread.

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But then us awesome folk can't read them!

Oh and about Nintendo's first party titles: I'd say they've pretty much degraded over the years, too. The world ain't stopping for anyone, even Nintendo.

I <3 Nintendo

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Originally Posted by voltz

I was somewhat impressed by metroid's visual style, but they cept citing problems going into 3rd person and made it play horrible with one stick for movement.

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When I played Metroid on a demo at an EB I hated it... when I sat down and played it through like I am now, I couldn't imagine it any other way. The control scheme is really not bad at all.

i dont think their quality has degraded over the years, i just think their drive to make stuff better has. its the same recycled shit over and over with better graphics. as good as their games can be if it's the same time and time again with better wrapping people become disenchanted.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Sony's games have taken the biggest leap in quality in a single generation I can recall. Games like SOCOM, Sly Cooper, Ico (for others who love it), and Jak & Daxter have come along and hit me upside my jaded head. The best platformer of this generation came from Sucker Punch, not Miyamoto or Sonic Team. That, on its own, is shocking.

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Ummm... if you dipshits want to claim that Metroid Prime and Starfox were "farmed out" then you have to say that Sly Cooper and Jak & Daxter were as well... since they were made by 2nd party Sony developers.

If you want to include both first and second party games they you have to include Metroid Prime, Starfox and everything that Nintendo second parties have done as well.

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Originally Posted by Shapermc

Metroid Prime was farmed out too. Sorry.

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This is just a stupid comment. Having one of your own 2nd parties make a title does not imply farming out... F-Zero was farmed out, it was done by another company entirely. Metroid Prime was not.

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Originally Posted by Shapermc

I am not sure what your getting at? F-Zero and Crystal Cron. were not developed by Nintendo. Also, I know I will feel like an idiot, but SFA stands for? All that comes to mind is Street Fighter Alpha and I cannot figure it out.

EDIT: Starfox Adventure... ohh I got it. Anyways IIRC that was not developed by Nintendo either.

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Likewise, half the games mentioned it this thread weren't developed by Sony either. Notably SOCOM (Zipper), Sly Cooper (Sucker Punch), Rachet & Clank (Insomniac) and Sky Gunner (Polys) were contracted to outside developers.

All that said, while I'd take Sony's first party PS2 portfolio over Nintendo's 1st party GC lineup, I can't honestly saw they're the better 1st party developer. Mainly because Nintendo 1st party GBA lineup slaughters everything out there. :)

If we're going to talk first party only then we can only include games developed by SCE_... which in general isn't much.

In fact... what exactly has Sony done worth a shit 1st party this generation besides ICO? It looks to me like almost everything they do is 2nd party.

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Originally Posted by Shapermc

Metroid Prime was farmed out too. Sorry.

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Nope Retro is a first party team. Unless you'd also consider games by later SCEI aquired teams (which would include Jak & GT) as "farmed out"?

No, Retro is 2nd party.

2nd Party = anything not done by an internal development team, but instead by an team that was formerly 3rd Party but was purchased by the company.

Naughty Dog is also 2nd party... I'm not entirely sure about the GT team Polyphonus Digital... did Sony purchase them, or were they developed internally?

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Originally Posted by Andrew

SFA and F-Zero were amazing games...

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SFA is the most tedious game I've ever played. It was like Wind Waker's ocean crawling on land, but slower and a much worse battle system.