Bush is next door to my job.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

Or we could go on about Kerry who manages to change his opinion at least every other week and how he called everyone that doesn't agree with him a Benedict Arnold. Personally I don't want a President who calls Americans traitors and fools because they don't agree with him, and don't forget, most of the things you hate Bush for, Kerry voted for as well. At least Bush continues on with what he started, Kerry turns around and criticizes Bush for something he was also partially responsible for.

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477 BILLION DOLLARS!

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Originally Posted by voltz

That's why I'm still voting for Bush.

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Fixed.

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Originally Posted by burgundy

477 BILLION DOLLARS!

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You forgot the bold, dude. :(

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

No matter what your opinions of the man or his politics, you ought to respect the position. :curse:

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He clearly doesn't.

In any event, anyone who publicly posts about assassinating the President, even jokingly, is really stupid.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

If Gore had won I have a feeling he would've apoligized to the Muslim world for "forcing" them to attack us on September 11th, not to mention fucking the country with all of his globalist "no super-power" ideas.

That's the kinda President we need!

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I fucking doubt it.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

But we're not at that point yet.

Crisis will come when we hit the point where we have used more than we have discovered. This is roughly what happened in the 1970s, when we were not so dependent on foreign oil.

But it hasnt happened yet for the whole wide world.

Bottom line, the price of gasoline is still high because we're not stealing Iraq's oil and using it for our own cars. We are still at the mercy of OPEC.

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But we know when that point is.

I remember in High School it was fifty years.

Now because of increases in production and uses for oil, the timeline is twenty years.

No one ever said the oil would go back to the people, or be used legitmately, but an interm US government sure would have a lot of perks over there wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by Gohron

My point in typing that was to show the ignorance of praising anybody who's "not Bush". And you are right, who does know, but Gore showed himself off during the Clinton administration and showed how "great" he was by getting personal benefit from selling nuclear technology and military tech/secrets to the Chinese and NoKos with good old Billy.

I defend Bush because I think all of his opponents are idiots, I might've voted for Lieberman if he won the primaries but he didn't. I don't exactly like a guy who says that Americans who don't agree with his policies are traitors (John Kerry), sounds kind of something like a dictator would say.

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477 BILLION DOLLARS!

Better?

I dont think we know the exact timeline. There's a book on the subject that just came out.

The guy was interviewed in the New York Times magazine.

I want to say that he said he didnt know, but I cant remember. Ill go to the library this weekend and try to find the interview and tell you the name of the book.

And yea, an interim government would have a lot of perks, but we have to look at things with an even head, not conspiracy theories and nonsense ranting. Are we getting cheaper oil because of an influx of Iraqi oil? No. In fact Im pretty sure gas is more expensive than it was this time last year, mostly because OPEC has cut shipments recently... in other words, the same damn thing that's been controlling oil supplies for decades.

There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this was a blood for oil war. There is significant cronyism in terms of Halliburton but (A) there is always cronyism in politics, and (B) there's no evidence they are profiting off the extra oil... all they're doing, really, is defrauding the government for tens of millions of dollars.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

The thing with debt is a valid issue I suppose, although we don't know if it's really going to hurt all that bad.

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Are you fucking serious?

Did you fail basic arithmetic? Can you add and subtract?

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Originally Posted by Gohron

at least Bush isn't sending our troops to Vietnam and purposely dragging out the war (killing more people in the process) because he profits from it.

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Are we talking about the same Bush?

I'm thinking of the current Bush, if it's not at all clear.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

I don't neccassarily agree with this but if we're running out of oil maybe going to war for oil is somewhat neccassary, at the same time taking a horrible dictator out of power. If we do run out of oil then there's a lot more shit then just a war with Iraq. As I said I don't neccassarily agree with this.

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Thats fine, but this was a war for the control or future control of the oil fields.

What right does the rest of the world now have to negotiate for oil with Iraq?

Whats a few favors to the country that liberated you?

With the exception of the removal of Saddam Hussien, nothing fueling this war was just. Especially when you really think about whats going to happen to those poor people once we decide to leave and let them police themselves.

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Originally Posted by Gohron

Well I'll say it now then, throw all your conspiricy, unproved, shit out the window because I don't want to hear it.

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Bush's VP is Dick Cheney

Dick Cheney is on the Haliburton payroll.

Haliburton scored a huge fat contract in Iraq.

What's hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

Thats fine, but this was a war for the control or future control of the oil fields.

What right does the rest of the world now have to negotiate for oil with Iraq?

Whats a few favors to the country that liberated you?

With the exception of the removal of Saddam Hussien, nothing fueling this war was just. Especially when you really think about whats going to happen to those poor people once we decide to leave and let them police themselves.

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I do agree with the fact that the country is probably going to be fucked when we leave but who can you blame for this? Every bleeding heart idiot is going to be crying over our occupation while we're there (even know if we leave it'll be about 30 times worse for those people). I am for going to the war in the first place but I do think we didn't handle the aftermath so well.