Another American Beheading...

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

What (truly) democratic society has produced a movement as dastardly as Islamo-fascism? Islamo-fascism is, by definition, radical. Historically speaking, free societies tend to mute radical voices. Why? B/c when ppl are free to do as they please, they tend to do what they please.

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I don't think that the terrorists are terrorists because of Islam, rather they are terrorists that were brainwashed. When people do something wrong and think they are doing something right, are they really terrorists or just fools?

There are some white drug addicts that have been brainwashed by Osama through the supllying of drugs.

As for free societies muting radical voices, what do you mean exactly by radical? I come from a country that is considered free, but brainwashing of kids and abuse from the government(ie both sides) exists. Are american gang lifestyle considered radical?

Now they've kidnapped some Turks.

Turkey is a muslim country too.

Well, now we know they aren't discriminating against one religion... I guess. (Bloodthirsty idiots.)

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

What (truly) democratic society has produced a movement as dastardly as Islamo-fascism? Islamo-fascism is, by definition, radical. Historically speaking, free societies tend to mute radical voices. Why? B/c when ppl are free to do as they please, they tend to do what they please.

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Germany perhaps?

Oh and how about the USA(anti abortion terrorists(let it be known that i am against the liberal use of abortion and I am opposed to the vast majority of abortions, however indiscriminate murder remains terrorism no matter what the reasons might be), Mcveigh, several cults responsible for the slaughter of hunderds of people, CANF etcetera).
Irealand(IRA and Catholics).
Germany(Rote armee fraction)
Belgium(Cell comunist combatant)
Turkey(comunist liberation army and PKK)
Greece(the november organisation)
Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, South Africa, India etcetera etcetera.

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Originally Posted by Kenshin

Now they've kidnapped some Turks.

Turkey is a muslim country too.

Well, now we know they aren't discriminating against one religion... I guess. (Bloodthirsty idiots.)

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Well considering they have routinely targeted Iraqi civilians and blown up the buildings of organizations that aren't affiliated with America and simply exist to help civilians like the Red Cross... yea I'd say that we've known this for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Almaci

Germany perhaps?

Oh and how about the USA(anti abortion terrorists(let it be known that i am against the liberal use of abortion and I am opposed to the vast majority of abortions, however indiscriminate murder remains terrorism no matter what the reasons might be), Mcveigh, several cults responsible for the slaughter of hunderds of people, CANF etcetera).
Irealand(IRA and Catholics).
Germany(Rote armee fraction)
Belgium(Cell comunist combatant)
Turkey(comunist liberation army and PKK)
Greece(the november organisation)
Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, South Africa, India etcetera etcetera.

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Abortion is NOT terrorism.

The groups you cited are not, to my mind, "as dastardly as Islamo-fascism" b/c those groups were marginalized. Free societies will never be free of dissenters. They do not spawn mass movements that threaten whole geographic regions (November 17? the Militia Movement? the IRA?).

People often point to the Weimar Republic. I would argue that society was not truly democratic. It was plagued by reparations, an abysmally bad economy and a political climate that was salivated over by two totalitarian parties (NSDAP and the Commies), itching to do away w/any shred of truly representative government.

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Originally Posted by Damian79

I don't think that the terrorists are terrorists because of Islam, rather they are terrorists that were brainwashed. When people do something wrong and think they are doing something right, are they really terrorists or just fools?

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When people do something wrong and think they are doing something right they can still be terrorists if their intentions are to spread terror.

And terrorists are by definition fools. They fight powers they cannot control or hope to contain. When they do win, their victory is Pyrrhic as they only bequeath their children more suffering at the hands of the giants they so rashly disturb.

These particular terrorists believe they are on a holy mission from God to wipe modernism from the face of the planet. Let us, in that benevolent way we do, grant them their wish to see God. :nod:

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

The groups you cited are not, to my mind, "as dastardly as Islamo-fascism" b/c those groups were marginalized. Free societies will never be free of dissenters. They do not spawn mass movements that threaten whole geographic regions (November 17? the Militia Movement? the IRA?).

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So what about the attempted genocide of native Amercians, slavery of black people, the Tienaman(sp?) Square massacre? As long as anyone sees themselves as superior in one form or another, you will get crap like this.

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

Abortion is NOT terrorism.

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Yes... but those who attack abortion clinics are... they bomb clinics and kill doctors to scare other abortion clinics into closing... insiting terror.

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

The groups you cited are not, to my mind, "as dastardly as Islamo-fascism" b/c those groups were marginalized. Free societies will never be free of dissenters. They do not spawn mass movements that threaten whole geographic regions (November 17? the Militia Movement? the IRA?).

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Yeah, Palestinians... they've never been marginalised... never....

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

People often point to the Weimar Republic. I would argue that society was not truly democratic. It was plagued by reparations, an abysmally bad economy and a political climate that was salivated over by two totalitarian parties (NSDAP and the Commies), itching to do away w/any shred of truly representative government.

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What the fuck are you talking about? The Weimar Republic was practically THE most democratic system ever made. It had proportional representation in BOTH houses... I was under the impression that the definition of democracy was being able to vote for representitives... I didn't know it also had to do with your economic debt and social climate. The only reason it failed was the fact proportional representation let minority parties have power; and the Ermächtigungsgesetz, which let Hitler take over after the Reichstag fire.

NSDAP and commies? Communists were like the 4th most powerful party in German... you're talking out of your arse. The Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (a middle left party) and Deutsche Zentrumspartei (middle) had more power...

I don't like getting in poltical debates, but shit... if you guys are going to, don't speak out of your arses.

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Originally Posted by Damian79

So what about the attempted genocide of native Amercians, slavery of black people, the Tienaman(sp?) Square massacre? As long as anyone sees themselves as superior in one form or another, you will get crap like this.

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None of those came from truely free societies, which was his point. However, the degree of freedom or "democracy" is actually inconsequential. It's marginalisation or suppression (percieved or real) which leads to contra forces/freedom fighters/terrorists being created. The suppresion of Palestine is the origin of all this shit. Why do you think Islamo-Facists hate America? Because they're jealous... they hate Christianity? As if. It's because America has been supporting Israel as a metastatic state to have some influence over a region of economic importance.

If America never backed Isreal, we wouldn't be discussing this.

And all this comes from Hitler being a cunt and causing the fifth Aliyah.

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

These particular terrorists believe they are on a holy mission from God to wipe modernism from the face of the planet.

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Yes, God hates James Joyce, T.S. Elliot, Picaso and Malevic... :confused:

Urm I am not calling abortion terrorism, I was talking about the organisations that bomb the clinics, kill doctors etcetera.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

Yes... but those who attack abortion clinics are... they bomb clinics and kill doctors to scare other abortion clinics into closing... insiting terror.

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Agreed.

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What the fuck are you talking about? The Weimar Republic was practically THE most democratic system ever made. It had proportional representation in BOTH houses... I was under the impression that the definition of democracy was being able to vote for representitives... I didn't know it also had to do with your economic debt and social climate. The only reason it failed was the fact proportional representation let minority parties have power; and the Ermächtigungsgesetz, which let Hitler take over after the Reichstag fire.

NSDAP and commies? Communists were like the 4th most powerful party in German... you're talking out of your arse. The Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (a middle left party) and Deutsche Zentrumspartei (middle) had more power...

I don't like getting in poltical debates, but shit... if you guys are going to, don't speak out of your arses.

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Calm down. I don't consider Weimar Germany to be a modern, free society w/a healthy democratic system for a number of reasons. Most importantly, the society itself wasn't stable (see: economic devastation), it was coming out of a war and the centrists were never able to govern properly. Fascist and commie parties intimidated the populace and couldn't wait to do everything they could to assume power and suspend democracy.

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The suppresion of Palestine is the origin of all this shit.

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I wouldn't consider it the origin but it certainly fuels the radical fires.

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Yes, God hates James Joyce, T.S. Elliot, Picaso and Malevic... :confused:

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The Islamo-fascists believe in God, yes? And their version of God hates (according to them) modernity. Don't be silly and pretend I meant the Modernist movement in art. :rolleyes: