If Bush ran for President against Jesus

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Originally Posted by Almaci

Dude quit that, ive got friends living in places like Iowa and indiana and I visit them regularly.
You yourself have met me in person before so you should know better then to think I was being annything but tongue in cheeck with that remark.

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=/ We've known each other forever, but I don't think we have met yet.

Regardless if it is tongue in cheek, it is a shitty thing to say. One of the big things halting progress in the US is everyone has virtually no respect for anyone with a different opinion than theirs. No one wants to find answers that could help everyone, because why bother. The other person is obviously dumb and wrong.

Such a behavior should never be promoted. It is counter productive to anything you want to achieve.

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Originally Posted by IronPlant

Dude that is hateful, harsh, and wrong. Neither group is really anymore informed than the other. If the internet is any indication of an areas intelligence, most people, in all areas of the US base their opinions on issues as much on emotion or logic as the next area.

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Who are you, and what have you done with IronPlant? But I think that's as good a take as any - it's an emotional election, not an issue-based one. Alot of people down there seem to feel there's ass-kicking to be done, so they lean to the daddy party instead of the mommy party. Clearly, polls show Americans believe their country isn't heading in the right direction, but that seems secondary to many of them at the moment.

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

I know this, but y'see if I bring up the fact that perhaps the general public is fed convluted, complicated, and sometimes completely mistaken information such as this, I will have someone yell at me, "DENVER AIRPORT, REPTILES."

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Heh, wasn't correcting, just adding. And that Denver reptile thing is silly. Everyone knows Halliburton headquarters is in Dallas. (Cheapshot +1!)

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Originally Posted by IronPlant

=/ We've known each other forever, but I don't think we have met yet.

Regardless if it is tongue in cheek, it is a shitty thing to say. One of the big things halting progress in the US is everyone has virtually no respect for anyone with a different opinion than theirs. No one wants to find answers that could help everyone, because why bother. The other person is obviously dumb and wrong.

Such a behavior should never be promoted. It is counter productive to anything you want to achieve.

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Sorry, my bad, got ya confused with Bandit there for a sec.

And Yoshi deserves no respect.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

This is the sort of thing Im saying. You can say that, cant you? You can tell other people that, cant you? There are tons of books and articles and people saying these exact things. Michael Moore made his little movie and it set records for a documentary and the government didnt shoot him on the lawn of the White House. Its out there, in the open. Now its up to people to make up their mind.

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And this is what I'm saying to you.

If it was true, it wouldn't matter, because no one in this administration would ever own up to it, and all the proof in the world obviously would mean nothing to the rest of country who are all "GO AMERICA." The point of all this is that for all my ranting and raving, for all everyone's ranting and raving, and demanding of answers from this administration we get nothing. We get no acknowledgements about 9/11 and who fucked up (Bush had 24 hours for the commission he set up, to INVESTIGATE HIMSELF, for the love of god there is something wrong with that man).

Just that I'm allowed to say it Diffusion doesn't make it mean anything. It doesn't change anything, and thats whats frusturating about it. Because I know not everything that people scream about is right, but enough of it is so blatant that to watch people just "let it go, because..." is maddening.

And the day I can't rant and rave about this shit, is the day we no longer live in America.

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And also... Ill just say... since when is military service such a big deal for Democrats? \

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Since we had a president lie to start a war.

"You mean give more power to the idiot hicks in barely populated areas while taking away power from well informed and educated people in the cities?"

Bush had more votes from people with a college degree than Gore did. And I'll be quite frank in saying that my whole family is voting for Kerry, but none can give me reasons that don't involve "He's not Bush" or Michael Moore.

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We get no acknowledgements about 9/11 and who fucked up

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Uhh... the 9/11 Commission made a full report which outlined the situation. That report is online for the whole world to see. And then they made a series of recommendations for the government, and Bush has supported those recommendations.

HMMM

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

How's this.

I would have been A-Ok with the war if I had been told the truth. I was until it was proven a lie.

And the reason, captain perceptive, it is so bad that he lied to get us into a war, is now how can we ever tell if he's telling the truth again?

How can the world tell?

How can you tell?

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I knew Bush's motives before his inauguration. During the 2000 presidential campaign, Bush criticized Clinton for using our military as an international police force. Right then, the light bulbs should have been flashing in the heads of all Americans, "What did he mean by that?" There are only two possibilities: (1) Bush was going to give the entire military a long vacation, or (2) he was planning to use it for its intended purpose--war. Where could he start a war? The place where his daddy finished one.

Bush was going to go into Iraq regardless of whether 9/11 were prevented. As a scientist, I can tell you that there is no conclusive evidence. Everything is a shade of gray. Ultimately my boss makes the decision whether to submit that evidence for publication. The intelligence community operates similarly, and the American people should hold Bush responsible.

After the Afghanistan war, I was appalled that media and according to polls 70% of Americans didn't question what Bush & Cheney were saying. Cartoons? No weapons? No historical US precedent for preemptive war? Congress voting to give the President extra power!? HELLO, STAR WARS EPISODE I!! Those were red flags! The American public and media needs to be thinking critically at all times to prevent a takeover like this.

There is no greater mistake a US President can make than to wage unilateral preemptive war under false pretenses. Bush should've been impeached by now.

And to keep this on-topic, it's an insult to all Christians that Bush does these things under the guise that he's a man of the faith.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

"You mean give more power to the idiot hicks in barely populated areas while taking away power from well informed and educated people in the cities?"

Bush had more votes from people with a college degree than Gore did. And I'll be quite frank in saying that my whole family is voting for Kerry, but none can give me reasons that don't involve "He's not Bush" or Michael Moore.

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I would really like to see a source for this...

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

This is the sort of thing Im saying. You can say that, cant you? You can tell other people that, cant you? There are tons of books and articles and people saying these exact things. Michael Moore made his little movie and it set records for a documentary and the government didnt shoot him on the lawn of the White House. Its out there, in the open. Now its up to people to make up their mind.

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Sounds like sports talk. "We just gotta go out there and try our best and give it 110%." ;)

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And also... Ill just say... since when is military service such a big deal for Democrats?

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Whoever structured Kerry's campaign hates him. Hates him.

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Originally Posted by RedCoKid

After the Afghanistan war, I was appalled that media and according to polls 70% of Americans didn't question what Bush & Cheney were saying. Cartoons? No weapons? No historical US precedent for preemptive war? Congress voting to give the President extra power!? HELLO, STAR WARS EPISODE I!! Those were red flags! The American public and media needs to be thinking critically at all times to prevent a takeover like this.

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So... you're saying that Bush is secretly training a dark apprentice who will help him ascend the throne of the American Empire by hunting down and killing our entire army?

So...er...If Bush ran against Jesus.....?