Vice Presidential Debate!

The debate?

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Dick Cheney is old.

That is all.

I listened to the first half hour on the radio, and Cheney absolutely destroyed Edwards. Without question. Not only did he debunk all of the stupid-ass claims from the Democrats, but he also put Edwards on the defensive. I turned it off when Edwards started repeating himself for the third time.

Well, there's only so much that can be done in Iraq.

Media folks were apparently calling this debate Darth Vader vs. Robin - I like it. Personally, I'm suprised all the pundits are calling it a draw. I thought Cheney was given many opportunities to respond to things Edwards said and just passed because he had nothing to say. He spent half the debate talking into his chest, and he kept wringing his hands and doing the Mr. Burns "excellent" hand gesture. Edwards appeared more in control of the proceedings.

Nobody landed a killshot, but then nobody did in the 1st presidential debate either. But the only time I thought Cheney really scored on Edwards was on his senate attendance record. Edwards certainly waffled on a few responses, but less than Cheney by my count, and he was much quicker on the draw and more engaging. And the somewhat silly spectre of terrorists with plutonium suitcases walking through New York came up way too many times.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Their positions are NOT opposite, durr. Kerry is just trying to portray that to get left-leaning voters. If Kerry were to get voted in very little would change wrt to the war in Iraq, I guarantee it. And Kerry has even said that he wouldve voted the same way even if he knew then what he knows now.

Him and Bush simply have exactly the same position on the war, Kerry is just using his fancy, Yalie, Skull & Bones education and pedigree and debate skills to hide it.

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Maybe my horrible English has confused you (and for this I apologize) but I meant the various positions you listed by Kerry. How are they in opposition to each other. I could give a fuck about the difference between the two. And if I am going to pick between 2 guys from Yale I sure as hell am going to pick the one that can use some of it.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

I listened to the first half hour on the radio, and Cheney absolutely destroyed Edwards. Without question. Not only did he debunk all of the stupid-ass claims from the Democrats, but he also put Edwards on the defensive.

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I totally missed that. What did he debunk? I saw him flat-out lie about the Iraq terrorist connection. When everyone in your own defence department and party who aren't speaking "on message" say there wasn't a connection, you should probably drop the subject.

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

I totally missed that. What did he debunk? I saw him flat-out lie about the Iraq terrorist connection. When everyone in your own defence department and party who aren't speaking "on message" say there wasn't a connection, you should probably drop the subject.

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Oh no! That would be flip-flopping, and nothing is worse than admitting that you may have fucked up. Better to just stick to your lie in the face of disaster.

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

I totally missed that. What did he debunk? I saw him flat-out lie about the Iraq terrorist connection. When everyone in your own defence department and party who aren't speaking "on message" say there wasn't a connection, you should probably drop the subject.

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One I recall was Edwards insisting (at least twice after Cheney refuted it) that Cheney said there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11--he never said that.

And it's zero lie that Iraq was harboring a known terrorist (Al-Sadr or Al-Zarqawi? I forget which). The 9/11 Commission Report, which everyone uses as "proof that they lied", states so clearly.

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Originally Posted by NightWolve

Gotta give it to Cheney. Ah damn, right from the beginning, all I thought about was I soooo wanted to swap Bush for Cheney to go up against Kerry for the next one. He got wounded on Haliburton, like those attacks weren't coming, but I thought he was confident, clear, sharp, etc. Just came across well overall. Dude was prepared unlike Bush and his stumbling performance.

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I'd much rather have Cheney for a president than Bush. I feel his idea of how to deal with Tort(sp?) reform is much more realistic than kerry's and he is a lot less black and white when it comes to the issue of gay marriage than Bush.

Even if he is a slime ball he makes more sense than Bush, and his goals come off as much more realistic than Kerry's.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

One I recall was Edwards insisting (at least twice after Cheney refuted it) that Cheney said there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11--he never said that.

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You're kidding, right? They said Saddam was funding Al Qaeda several times leading up to the war. Both Bush and Cheney's stump speeches have them saying every single day that "we went to Iraq to take on the terrorists on their home turf" - despite Al Qaeda's membership being almost entirely from other countries who aren't being bombed because they've got heavy economic and diplomatic ties with the US. You're right, Cheney may not come out and say Saddam was behind 9/11, but you can't tell me you don't see them constantly inferring a connection.

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And it's zero lie that Iraq was harboring a known terrorist (Al-Sadr or Al-Zarqawi? I forget which).

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Al Zarqawi.

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The 9/11 Commission Report, which ever uses as "proof that they lied", states so clearly.

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Let's give it over to my man Colin Powell:

"Mr Powell alleged that Mr Zarqawi's lieutenants were operating in a part of Iraq outside the control of Saddam Hussein but controlled by an Islamic group called Ansar al-Islam (Supporters of Islam)" Link

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Originally Posted by StriderKyo

Nobody landed a killshot, but then nobody did in the 1st presidential debate either.

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Id be very surprised if there are any killshots at all. Most people already know who they are going to vote for, so all the debates will be viewed in this light, and the endless amount of campaigning that both candidates are doing in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc., will matter more to the swing voters there than a couple of silly debates on TV.