Worst. Purchase. Ever.

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Originally Posted by PBMax

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I agree completely. Maybe I'll make a worthwhile post when I get home from work (because listing my complaints about GTA will likely take longer than I have time for right now).

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki

Er... with all due respect...

Wasn't GameGO the magazine guide to games that we should be playing?

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I still don't get what the "issues" are with that saying? It, in no way, was intended to be elitist. It was meant to say "hey, you might've missed _____ which other mags might not have covered", not "play this, asshole, because we think it's great".

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki

Anyway, my beef with GameGO was more that they tried so hard to be elitist but the content of their articles were so mainstream-oriented. It drove me nuts. It was neither here nor there, pleasing no one. I wished it was far more elitist than it was, because although the reviewers spoke their mind honestly, the text was generally fluff. Shou's take on Rhapsody of Zephyr was the only review that taught me anything about the actual game and convinced me not to buy it. I just wished the other articles were as informative.?

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Mainstream? Covering Sakura Wars, Stretch Panic (cover), Cleopatra Fortune, etc... Please. You're walking down the path of revisionist history. I, for one, wasn't trying to be elitist at all - the other half was. And considering the volumes of e-mail that I've gotten over the years, I think a lot of people were "pleased", which is a lot more than "no one".

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki

Whatever. My point is that I don't find anything wrong with elitist journalism in of itself. But the journalist has to earn my respect before I care what they have to say - elitist or not.

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Can't argue with that. In today's realm of online disposable video game journalism, it's hard to "get to know" anyone.

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki

Er... with all due respect...

Wasn't GameGO the magazine guide to games that we should be playing?

Anyway, my beef with GameGO was more that they tried so hard to be elitist but the content of their articles were so mainstream-oriented. It drove me nuts. It was neither here nor there, pleasing no one. I wished it was far more elitist than it was, because although the reviewers spoke their mind honestly, the text was generally fluff. Shou's take on Rhapsody of Zephyr was the only review that taught me anything about the actual game and convinced me not to buy it. I just wished the other articles were as informative.

Whatever. My point is that I don't find anything wrong with elitist journalism in of itself. But the journalist has to earn my respect before I care what they have to say - elitist or not.

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I think that your opinion is kinda unfair since there was only one issue , well two , counting the non-released one released here. I'm sure given the chance, the magazine would have become much more organized and informative. I think that the number of pages were an issue as well.

There was some Japanese yellow-label girl fighting Saturn game called "AF Fighters" (not the right name, but similar) - the game's limited edition came in a very large box, with a puzzle (interlinking cardboard pieces) inside of it. I don't remember how much it cost to get it, but that game sucked. Hyper Duel was disappointing because I liked Thunderforce, and Hyper Duel blows. There were a lot of JP games that I bought just to look at the box for a while (like Langrisser Tribute or that game that was just sound, no visuals and was made by the guy, what, Kenji Eno, who made D? Did he name himself after Brian Eno?) before I sold them, which was sort of dumb. I got back all of the money I spent on all of the dumb JP Saturn games I bought, though, so they weren't exactly terrible purchases. That whole Saturn collecting thing was stupid.

I bought a PS2 twice, and both times it was a waste of money - the best PS2 game I had was Contra PS2 or maybe VF Evolution, and Contra PS2 sucked.

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But TFC has good character animation/designs?

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Hah. I knew someone would say that. TFC is alot older than UT, so of course its going to have worse graphics. The best game to compare UT to is Quake3, which i already said. I still like Q3's designs even today. Buy yea, as far as personality and design of the characters, I would say like TFCs better than UT. I really really just do not like UT's look, thats all.

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Mainstream? Covering Sakura Wars, Stretch Panic (cover), Cleopatra Fortune, etc... Please. You're walking down the path of revisionist history. I, for one, wasn't trying to be elitist at all - the other half was.

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What I meant was that although the games were niche, the actual implementation of the magazine wasn't.

That is to say, I loved the games covered, but I had hoped that the articles about them were better written. That's not to say that the grammar or amusement-factor were lacking. But as I said earlier, they were really fluffy.

Let's take Sakura Taisen 3. The writeup in issue 1 talked about it in a very vague surface-level-y uninformative way. Yes, I already knew ST3 inside and out before the article, but I was pretty disappointed that the reviews and the 2 page article said very little about the multi-branching adventure game system, the mechanics of the strategy engine (that looks to have influenced BoF5:DQ), the multitude of mini-games, the extreme polish of everything about the game that made it a hit among its fans.

Being concise is a good trait in communication, but not at the cost of content. Not that other magazine publications are any better, but I guess I was pretty hopeful for GG.

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Originally Posted by Changeling

I think that your opinion is kinda unfair since there was only one issue , well two , counting the non-released one released here. I'm sure given the chance, the magazine would have become much more organized and informative. I think that the number of pages were an issue as well.

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Don't get me wrong. I paid for a subscription to GameGO and I don't feel as if I got ripped off by only getting 1 (and 3/4?) issues. I really liked their choice of topic material. But nevertheless, I do want to express my disappointment in the depth of the writing. Simply that.

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki

Being concise is a good trait in communication, but not at the cost of content. Not that other magazine publications are any better, but I guess I was pretty hopeful for GG.

Don't get me wrong. I paid for a subscription to GameGO and I don't feel as if I got ripped off by only getting 1 (and 3/4?) issues. I really liked their choice of topic material. But nevertheless, I do want to express my disappointment in the depth of the writing. Simply that.

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I understand that and somewhat agree. You'll have to remember though, that both issues were almost completely written by me and ECM and the sheer volume that we had to pump out was mind numbing. Not diminishing the contributions of others, but we wrote *a lot* of the magazine(s).

Had we had less of a burden, the articles might have been better - though I'm not sure they would approach the completeness that you seem to be looking for. How many hours would one have to spend to fully describe the nuances of SW3? Meaning playing time, writing time, editing time, etc... You're talking about tons of time.

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Couldn't agree more. Is there anything that's more played out than elitist video game "journalism"?

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Just a clarification request here- MarkRyan writes guides and only guides at IGN, right? He isn't employed to write reviews? If that's the case then so long as he can tell you how to get from point A to point B in his articles without saying how much it sucks to do so then why can't he rag on things here? At IGN he's a guide writer, here he's just a guy talking gaming. We can think he's nuts all we want but the "elitist game journalist" thing just doesn't work. If he gets a column over there talking about this then we can all jump down his throat, in the meantime his views on games and his work in the industry are seperate things.

Sorry Mark, I think you're nuts. Doom 3 on PC > than Doom 3 on X-box specifically because the mouse/keyboard (or in my case, trackball/keyboard) combo is so incredibly superior to the controller. True, the configuration options and continual need for upgrading for good performance suck, but the hi-resolution graphics and endless modability make up for a lot. But then that's just my opinion, and I'm an outcast in a world of Halo-lovers. :)

James

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Originally Posted by James

Just a clarification request here- MarkRyan writes guides and only guides at IGN, right? He isn't employed to write reviews? If that's the case then so long as he can tell you how to get from point A to point B in his articles without saying how much it sucks to do so then why can't he rag on things here? At IGN he's a guide writer, here he's just a guy talking gaming. We can think he's nuts all we want but the "elitist game journalist" thing just doesn't work. If he gets a column over there talking about this then we can all jump down his throat, in the meantime his views on games and his work in the industry are seperate things.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he write reviews HERE?

I thought so. Even if he's not a "elitist gaming journalist", he's still an "elitist gamer". That better? Talking about specific games and why they might not be for you is one thing, talking about specific games and what an idiot you are for liking them is entirely different. ;)

It seems wierd to support a game *that owes its entire existence* to the game he has problems with.