The Peaks of the Genres for this Generation

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

If the only way to do something is to make a fucking turn button, then it shouldnt be done. An optimal solution that is still shitty is just a shitty solution. From the developers' point of view, they shouldve axed the game when they realized they had to put a turn button.

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The only thing the turn button truely removes is Crossups, which, while a huge point of real level play, aren't that important in casual play. The biggest problem fighting games have, and have always had, is that alot of people don't really understand how to play them, therefore so much of the game is lost. Its really a shame. I mean, on even this board, decries against VF4 were heard left and right. That was really depressing. The only hope is that learner games like smash bros and DOA may make people begin to sorta understand how fighting games work, and then move on to real ones. SF was so simple that it allowed anyone to play, but that just wouldn't fly nowadays. It still taught people fighting game basics just by playing, people play things like guilty gear for 2 years, and still don't understand the basics. How did japan end up so good? heh. If Isuka had a whole bunch of really balanced teams, with most characters being decently balanced, then it would be a revolutionary game. Sadly, we still have to wait. Last note, instead of a turn around button, you coudl have a block button, but I will fucking pass on that for a 2d game (looking at mortal kombat)

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

If the only way to do something is to make a fucking turn button, then it shouldnt be done. An optimal solution that is still shitty is just a shitty solution. From the developers' point of view, they shouldve axed the game when they realized they had to put a turn button.

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Ok well, it isn't optimal, but it still isn't shitty by any means. Destin already explained it only removes crossups and can cause some confusion especially when first playing. Like I said, you would have to build a new game from the ground up for an optimal solution which would cost so much more for a game that is experimental like this. From the developers point of view this isn't worth it.

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Originally Posted by Destin

Last note, instead of a turn around button, you coudl have a block button, but I will fucking pass on that for a 2d game (looking at mortal kombat)

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Interesting, but are you suggesting you move left and right by simply pressing left or right? The problem there is that moves like Riot stomp are impossible and I'll be doing bandit revolver all day. See Guardian Heroes and Yu Yu Hakusho show how this idea CAN work by making sure that all button combinations END in a certain direction or are fuctional both ways. For instance the super moves 632146 will work because it ENDS with the direction you want to hit.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

If the only way to do something is to make a fucking turn button, then it shouldnt be done. An optimal solution that is still shitty is just a shitty solution. From the developers' point of view, they shouldve axed the game when they realized they had to put a turn button.

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Well put. Fuck Isuka.

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Originally Posted by Valgar

Interesting, but are you suggesting you move left and right by simply pressing left or right? The problem there is that moves like Riot stomp are impossible and I'll be doing bandit revolver all day. See Guardian Heroes and Yu Yu Hakusho show how this idea CAN work by making sure that all button combinations END in a certain direction or are fuctional both ways. For instance the super moves 632146 will work because it ENDS with the direction you want to hit.

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Game developer in the making.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

Dude, youre an idiot. Did you even try Rise of Nations? It wasnt like Empire Earth or really any other RTS game. It was like real-time Civilization II, and the endgame battles are the 2nd most intense shit around. If you dont want to engage in fucking crazy intense, high-pitched battles for cities, then well you're (A) a pansywillow, and (B) worthless.

And yea, the most intense shit around is... yea, Warcraft 3. Nothing else touches it.

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I actually enjoyed the end game battles in Rise of Nations more... I personally got annoyed with the final battle in Warcraft 3... and don't even get me started on that final battle in The Frozen Throne... pure tedium.

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Originally Posted by bbobb

I actually enjoyed the end game battles in Rise of Nations more... I personally got annoyed with the final battle in Warcraft 3... and don't even get me started on that final battle in The Frozen Throne... pure tedium.

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Warcraft 3 is a multiplayer game, forget single player. The multiplayer games in wc3 are now awesome, especially DotA allstars. Though Rise of Nations rocks too.

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

If the only way to do something is to make a fucking turn button, then it shouldnt be done. An optimal solution that is still shitty is just a shitty solution. From the developers' point of view, they shouldve axed the game when they realized they had to put a turn button.

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They should remove the punch and kick buttons too while they're at it. Because all game mechanics, especially new ones, should never be tried.

Seriously, it takes 5-10 mins to adjust to manual turning in Isuka. Complaining about it is even worse than complaining about not being able to pull of a fireball motion. All it does is make you pay attention to the game a little more and make it a little harder for idiot button mashers.

If Isuka has a flaw, it's that fat sack of dog excrement Leopaldon. Worst boss of all time.