Mario Baseball

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

Except that we haven't seen Nintendo produce new concepts since Wario Ware, and that was last year. I was initially excited about Nintendo farming out their franchises to other companies so that they could make new games because it should have brought a mixture of revamped and new Nintendo franchises. Instead, all Nintendo had to show for in terms of new franchises since 2001 was Pikmin on the Gamecube and Wario Ware for the Game Boy Advance. That's it! Nothing else. So much for "TEH NEW"!

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Wario Ware came out in 2003, not 2001. And looking at Nintendo's internal teams and 3rd party collaberations over the past few years we've gotten quite a few new properties to go with the updates, remakes and sequels.

-1000-Man Family (RD1) 2005
-Animal Crossing (EAD) 2001
-Another (Cing) 2005
-Chibi Robo (Skip) 2005
-Cubivore (IntSys) 2002
-Eternal Darkness (Silicon Knights) 2002
-E-Z Talk (NdCube) 2001
-Geist (nSpace) 2005
-Giftpia (Skip) 2003
-Golden Sun (Camelot) 2001
-Happy Panechu! (RD2) 2002
-Jam with the Band (RD2) 2004
-Kururin (Eighting) 2001
-Magical Vacation (Brownie Brown) 2001
-Mobile Golf (Camelot) 2001
-Napoleon (Genki) 2001
-Odama (Vivarium) 2005
-One-Line Puzzle (Mitchell) 2004
-Pikmin (EAD) 2001
-Puppy Times (EAD) 2005
-Sakura Momoko Carnival (SPD) 2002
-Starfi (Tose) 2002
-Tomato Adventure (Alpha Dream) 2003
-Tube Slider (NdCube) 2003

...not to mention franchises like Doshin, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Hamtaro or Custom Robo making their western debuts. Also Nintendo trying out new concepts with established IPs seems to be a favorite route (Kirby Tilt N' Tumble, Wario Ware, DK Jungle Beat, etc). You need to examine Nintendo's portfolio more closely I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

Namco's been having a good run lately (Katamari Damacy, Taiko Drum Master, maybe Tekken 5), so the game may turn out to be good, but I'm highly skeptical.

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Remember RBI Baseball? Namco made it, and they still make Baseball games to this day in Japan... I don't doubt this game is being done by their Famista team, likely reusing an updated Famista 2003 engine.

The first Ken Griffey Jr. game for the SNES was really fun.

That doesn't really have much to do with this, but what is there to say? It's baseball with Mario.

That game was a complete ripoff of SNK's Baseball Stars.

Complete.

Which would probably explain why it was really fun.

STEE-RIKE

OH COME ON

*breaks the bat*

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Originally Posted by jarrod

Wario Ware came out in 2003, not 2001.

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But if you read my post more carefully, I said since 2001.

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Originally Posted by jarrod

And looking at Nintendo's internal teams and 3rd party collaberations over the past few years we've gotten quite a few new properties to go with the updates, remakes and sequels.

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-1000-Man Family (RD1) 2005 - Not out yet, but I should have specified Nintendo franchises from 2001 till now. I wasn't counting games slated to be released next year during my diatribe because there's no guarantee that they'll be out (see the U.S. cancellation of Giftpia).
-Animal Crossing (EAD) 2001 - Port of an N64 game, but since the port came out in 2001, I'll give you that.
-Another (Cing) 2005 - Not out yet
-Chibi Robo (Skip) 2005 - Not out yet
-Cubivore (IntSys) 2002 - I'll give you that, but remember that Nintendo didn't publish it in the United States because even they knew it was shitty game (and yes, I did play it, and it is indeed shit).
-Eternal Darkness (Silicon Knights) 2002 - I'll give you that.
-E-Z Talk (NdCube) 2001 - What? Did that come out here?
-Geist (nSpace) 2005 - Not out yet.
-Giftpia (Skip) 2003 - Didn't come out here.
-Golden Sun (Camelot) 2001 - I'll give you that.
-Happy Panechu! (RD2) 2002 - Didn't come here.
-Jam with the Band (RD2) 2004 - Didn't come here.
-Kururin (Eighting) 2001 - Didn't come here.
-Magical Vacation (Brownie Brown) 2001 - Didn't come here.
-Mobile Golf (Camelot) 2001 - Didn't come here.
-Napoleon (Genki) 2001 - Didn't come here
-Odama (Vivarium) 2005 - Not out yet
-One-Line Puzzle (Mitchell) 2004 - Didn't come here.
-Pikmin (EAD) 2001 - Already mentioned this
-Puppy Times (EAD) 2005 - Not out yet.
-Sakura Momoko Carnival (SPD) 2002 - Didn't come here.
-Starfi (Tose) 2002 - GBA franchise that surprisingly didn't come here.
-Tomato Adventure (Alpha Dream) 2003 - Didn't come here.
-Tube Slider (NdCube) 2003 - Didn't come here.

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...not to mention franchises like Doshin, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Hamtaro or Custom Robo making their western debuts.

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Doshin was a port of a N64DD game that came out in 1999, so you don't get that. Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, and Custom Robo are old franchises that Nintendo finally got around to bringing here, so those don't count either. I'll give you Hamtaro, but that was based on a licensed property (I think).

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Also Nintendo trying out new concepts with established IPs seems to be a favorite route (Kirby Tilt N' Tumble, Wario Ware, DK Jungle Beat, etc). You need to examine Nintendo's portfolio more closely I'd say.

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I'll give you Tilt N' Tumble, even though no one played that. I already mentioned Wario Ware, and Jungle Beat is not out yet.

Alright, so I was mistaken with Nintendo not creating new franchises. However, despite that list of games you gave me, it's sad that all the US got so far (especially on the Gamecube) was

Animal Crossing
Cubivore (although not published by Nintendo)
Golden Sun
Eternal Darkness
Hamtaro
Pikmin
Wario Ware

That's still not an impressive list of new franchises.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

he thing that's going to be a downer for me is they will use the EXACT SAME CHARACTERS found in Mario Golf AND Mario Tennis.

I mean, I don't mind the same core characters, but Mario has a cast of fucking hundreds that would be totally awesome and unique to play in a game like this.

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I'm assuming this will be Koopa Kid-less, too. Bah.
I don't understand why they can't use obscure and common Nintendo characters and make it "Nintendo Baseball" instead. Gimme Link smacking the ball with a Megaton Hammer! Kid Icarus pitching a ball-arrow! Mike from StarTropics whacking the ball with his... baseball bat! Okay, fine. Maybe the Yo-yo.

You guys are fucking hillarious. Since you want to piss and moan about innovation, show me Microsoft's and Sony's software innovations since 2001. I'm sure I will get to hear how Halo and Ratchet and Clank are not derivatve at all. :rolleyes: You know why there's no innovation left in this industry? Because Nintendo and Sega already did it all!

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

But if you read my post more carefully, I said since 2001.

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Point taken.

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

-1000-Man Family (RD1) 2005 - Not out yet, but I should have specified Nintendo franchises from 2001 till now. I wasn't counting games slated to be released next year during my diatribe because there's no guarantee that they'll be out (see the U.S. cancellation of Giftpia).
-Animal Crossing (EAD) 2001 - Port of an N64 game, but since the port came out in 2001, I'll give you that.
-Another (Cing) 2005 - Not out yet
-Chibi Robo (Skip) 2005 - Not out yet
-Cubivore (IntSys) 2002 - I'll give you that, but remember that Nintendo didn't publish it in the United States because even they knew it was shitty game (and yes, I did play it, and it is indeed shit).
-Eternal Darkness (Silicon Knights) 2002 - I'll give you that.
-E-Z Talk (NdCube) 2001 - What? Did that come out here?
-Geist (nSpace) 2005 - Not out yet.
-Giftpia (Skip) 2003 - Didn't come out here.
-Golden Sun (Camelot) 2001 - I'll give you that.
-Happy Panechu! (RD2) 2002 - Didn't come here.
-Jam with the Band (RD2) 2004 - Didn't come here.
-Kururin (Eighting) 2001 - Didn't come here.
-Magical Vacation (Brownie Brown) 2001 - Didn't come here.
-Mobile Golf (Camelot) 2001 - Didn't come here.
-Napoleon (Genki) 2001 - Didn't come here
-Odama (Vivarium) 2005 - Not out yet
-One-Line Puzzle (Mitchell) 2004 - Didn't come here.
-Pikmin (EAD) 2001 - Already mentioned this
-Puppy Times (EAD) 2005 - Not out yet.
-Sakura Momoko Carnival (SPD) 2002 - Didn't come here.
-Starfi (Tose) 2002 - GBA franchise that surprisingly didn't come here.
-Tomato Adventure (Alpha Dream) 2003 - Didn't come here.
-Tube Slider (NdCube) 2003 - Didn't come here.

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Nice evaluation but a little unnecessary. Despite wether or not these games have enough relevance to "count" for you personally, they are still indeed new Nintendo properties.

Also some minor corrections... the N64 version of Animal Forest released in 2001 as well and Tube Slider did indeed come to America (via the now defunct NEC Interchannel). Also Jam with the Band and One-Line Puzzle are both slated for US release... in fact those are their American titles (it's Band Brothers and Insinctive Stroke respectively in Japan).

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

Doshin was a port of a N64DD game that came out in 1999, so you don't get that. Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, and Custom Robo are old franchises that Nintendo finally got around to bringing here, so those don't count either.

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Why shouldn't they count since you're clearly looking at the issue from a western centric perspective. Old franchises that are new to American consumers shouldn't "count" since they're established in Japan yet new Japanese IPs shouldn't "count" either since Americans can't play them? Can't have it both ways...

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Originally Posted by Cowdisease

Alright, so I was mistaken with Nintendo not creating new franchises. However, despite that list of games you gave me, it's sad that all the US got so far (especially on the Gamecube) was

Animal Crossing
Cubivore (although not published by Nintendo)
Golden Sun
Eternal Darkness
Pikmin
Wario Ware

That's still not an impressive list of new franchises.

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No, the US also got Fire Emblem, Custom Robo and Advance Wars among others for new brands. And it seems to me your complaint isn't so much that Nintendo isn't making new games but rather Nintendo of America is taking less risks in regards to release schedule.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

The thing that's going to be a downer for me is they will use the EXACT SAME CHARACTERS found in Mario Golf AND Mario Tennis.

I mean, I don't mind the same core characters, but Mario has a cast of fucking hundreds that would be totally awesome and unique to play in a game like this.

I liked the enemies from Mario 2 and Super Mario World showing up in Mario Tennis, and I hope that even more of that type of thinking will follow into this title.

But sadly, I already know the roster is Mario, Luigi, Wario, Waluigi, Bowser, Daisy, Peach, Yoshi, Bowser Jr, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and probably that fucking piranha plant from Mario Sunshine again.

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Hmm, you know what, I think this game may actually have to implement of a much larger roster than that. I mean, you have to have 9 guys on each team, and it would be a little silly to have a character be on both teams. So we're looking at at least 18 characters bare minimum for 2 opposing teams, and I'm thinking they'd do more than just 2 teams.

Of course, then again, there's the eventuality that teams would be the character you select + 8 toads or koopa troopas... but I don't think they'd be THAT lazy.