Zone of the Enders series

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

Tie up loose ends? The Patriots are the ONLY thing that makes matters more complicated at the end. And I've no idea how they make MGS1 a moot plot. Can you explain that?

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They arranged the Shadow Moses Island incident. Everything about it was orchestrated by them.

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Originally Posted by TrialSword

I see the Patriots as a convenient tool to cut off loose ends. It's a story that branches out in so many untold directions, but everything can be explained, everything that mattered then (MGS1) is made moot because the Patriots made it so? That just kills any dramatic value that the first game had, and does MGS2 a disservice by continuing to make the plot more grandiose until it becomes almost extra-terrestrial.

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That's how I felt when I first played the game. The story is pretty heavy, but after a 2nd play, everything becomes crystal clear and most of the components of the story that you think are "just there" to tie loose ends make alot of sense. The gameplay in MGS2 was far better then in the first, but like alot of people, the first one had a huge impact on me, so it gets the better hand. All of Kojima's work is masterpiece quality.

MGS3 > ZOE2 > MGS1 > MGS2 > ZOE

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Originally Posted by kingoffighters

I never played ZOE1, but I played about 3 hours of ZOE2 and got bored of it very quickly. I did not like it at all, the graphics is awesome, control is not too bad, but I just couldn't get into it (and thinking of selling it)....

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I'll buy it. I rented it a while ago and had fun with it but never got a chance to replay/flesh it out. It was good. Worth some amount.

I never finished MGS2. Both times I've tried playing through it I lost interest just after the retarted roller-skate boss. Even though that fight was vaguely fun.

Just finished it, clocked in at about 7 hours, but there's ton's of replays in going back through the game, and the EX Missions.

Overall, an awesome gameplaying experience, and the music is excellent, not to mention the story.

One of my favorite games this generation, but I've yet to play MGS 3.

Kojima still hasn't failed me.

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

Wait, weren't you the one complaining that the Viewtiful Joe 2 bosses didn't have a weaknesses to exploit?

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This wasn't a weakness to exploit, this was "kill the boss in this certain way, and you can do it no other way". That's not a weakness, that's a constriction.

In Viewtiful Joe, you can kill the bosses normally (though it's harder this way, and longer), or you can experiment and find a shortcut. The only example I can think of in part 2 is Frost Tiger... there's normal way to beating him, and then there's the weakness to exploit.

You're not forced into using one particular trick.

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Originally Posted by Roufuss

This wasn't a weakness to exploit, this was "kill the boss in this certain way, and you can do it no other way". That's not a weakness, that's a constriction.

In Viewtiful Joe, you can kill the bosses normally (though it's harder this way, and longer), or you can experiment and find a shortcut. The only example I can think of in part 2 is Frost Tiger... there's normal way to beating him, and then there's the weakness to exploit.

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Flinty Stone was the only real aggravating boss in VJ2...and he's not even that bad in your second game since you have zoom.

Frost Tiger was impossible unless you took away his cold aura and made him dizzy.

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Originally Posted by TrialSword

Frost Tiger was impossible unless you took away his cold aura and made him dizzy.

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Frost Tiger was the easiest boss in the game.

You stay on the bottom floor until he runs to you, he says "Come On!" or something like that, and throws icicles. You jump the the platform above him, wait until he's done, he jumps up and you nail him with a Zoom / Slow / Red Hot Kick that turns into a fire drill kick.

Avoid the punches, hit him with RHOH a few times, and as soon as he puts the aura back on, nail him with another kick.

Didn't hit me once.

More ZOE2 speak! Joe has his own damned thread!

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Originally Posted by kingoffighters

I never played ZOE1, but I played about 3 hours of ZOE2 and got bored of it very quickly. I did not like it at all, the graphics is awesome, control is not too bad, but I just couldn't get into it (and thinking of selling it)....

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Wanna sell it to me =D ?

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

I can't help that you can't understand a storyline that's remotely complex.

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You keep on living on through that arm and think that complexity is the reason people have trouble with MGS2.

MGS2's story was fine, it was the characters and details that made everything fall apart. What was Fortune's railgun made out of anyway, plastic?

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And in terms of gameplay, MGS2 is easily the superior of MGS1.

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Twin Snakes, baby. The better storyline and characters + the better gameplay > MGS2 or MGS. Can't say anything about part 3 because I still haven't played it yet.

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Originally Posted by MechDeus

Twin Snakes, baby. The better storyline and characters + the better gameplay > MGS2 or MGS. Can't say anything about part 3 because I still haven't played it yet.

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Twin Snakes, ewwwww. Okay, eww is extreme, but it's in no way superior to MGS2 (or even MGS1). All the new play mechanics were implemented without anything else in the game being changed, meaning you've got all kinds of cool abilities and skills that are never required--when you do use them, they break the game. The one thing I did really like about Twin Snakes, however, was the addition of dog tags. That made it worth going through the game once or twice.

(And the cutscenes were laughable, like the over-done The One. Some scenes were interesting, but too many were extremely retarded and even out of character for those involved. Twin Snakes is a fun game to play, but it's in no way a substitute for either MGS1 or MGS2.)