What can be done with today's lost urban youth?

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

BET is utter junk

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BET is Mtv for Black People. Just crappier.

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Originally Posted by Jetman

I guess no good can come of asking this, but what the hell is a kike?

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A Jew.

Goddammit I had a whole response typed up and my page closed on me.

None of what is being said in this thread is bullshit, however, most of it is exaggeration. If you don't go into situations with other races with a slight bit of caution and stereotype, your just not human. Everyone should. Its the smart thing to do.

However if you go into every situation under the assumption that this shit is gonna fly (race becoming an issue in a argument, etc...) your just bringing it onto yourself, because no matter how you think you appear, everything your saying to the other person is so far out of context that your simply gonna be categorized as what you avoiding in the first place.

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Originally Posted by IronPlant

yes they are. You don't have to worry about a band of hippies and preps beating your ass because you called them on being a douche.

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So I take it you've never been in a bar full of frat boys?

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Originally Posted by Mykozo

When I see someone with incredibly baggy clothes, I think to myself "s/he DRESSES like an idiot". As to what's going on in their head, I reserve judgement until I hear what they have to say.

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that's exactly my point, going into a situation with some sterotypes is natural. Maybe someday humanity will move to a point of enlightenment where they aren't neccessary to defend yourself, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Protecting yourself, however, does not require tacking on a whole list of sterotypes that aren't even related to what you're seeing. Joust didn't say "s/he dresses like an idiot" he said "s/he's an idot," there's quite a difference. Already there's assumptions about their intelligence, soon enough you're looking for further facts to support your case. Gradually you've got a stack of bad memories and generalizations all heaped on someone you haven't even talked to yet. The more stereotypes you have ready and waiting for someone who fits the profile the more likely you are to start acting on them before you need to, and that is a problem.

This thread didn't start out with someone reffering to a particular facet of a culture, it started out with someone making a generaliztion about an entire culture based on one irritating member. Ironplant didn't say "those urban youths that do stuff like that" he didn't specify a specific section or subculture at all. He talked about all the "lost urban youth" and the problems he has with that culture and decided that that culture was one where it was "cool" to be "dumb, mean, and selfish"

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Originally Posted by Shakey

This thread didn't start out with someone reffering to a particular facet of a culture, it started out with someone making a generaliztion about an entire culture based on one irritating member. Ironplant didn't say "those urban youths that do stuff like that" he didn't specify a specific section or subculture at all. He talked about all the "lost urban youth" and the problems he has with that culture and decided that that culture was one where it was "cool" to be "dumb, mean, and selfish"

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=/ thanks for putting words in my mouth. That's very awesome of you.

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Originally Posted by NApOLm321

Of course I have to start out telling you that I hate black people and plan to run them down in my fully loaded, tricked out H2 that my parents bought for me.

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fixed.

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Originally Posted by toby

Truth is black culture teaches you to do what you want when you want. I'm not trying to sound racist, but most black people have this beleif that becuase they are black they can do certain things others can't and not get in trouble. ( Lke say the n word)

If a white guy had done that he would be alled a redneck cracker. If a black person does it the worst he is called is ghetto? Being Ghetto is not even considered a bad thing in most groups.

I'm glad to say I'm black yet I don't act like I own the fucking world. If I wanted some cheese i would grap a cup, scoop some cheese into it and get some bread. Putting your entire fist into the bowl is just plain stupid.

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Careful: that's not 'black culture'; it's an element of black culture. in the same way redneck isn't white culture, but an element of it.

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Originally Posted by IronPlant

Is there anything that can be done to reeducate these people?

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:eek:

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Originally Posted by Shakey

This is the sort of thing that irritates me.

THAT IS NOT URBAN CULTURE.

THOSE ARE THE ASSHOLES.

How much is it going to take for you people to see that. You are all looking at one element of urban culture. I've spent enough time around the "urban youth" to know that there are a lot of very progressive members doing as much as they can to see these things removed.

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He's not looking at "one" element of Urban culture, he's looking at the predominant element of urban culture. We live in fucking Houston, this city often defines ghetto - this is nearly all we see.

I understand what you're trying to say...to use a music analogy, you're comparing say... the Jurassic 5 or De La Soul to some crappy shit like Lil Jon and *insert generic vulgar bling bling rap artist here*. No one's ignorant of the fact that there is a positive side to urban culture, but the predominant side, that is spreading stupidity everywhere is the side that is the largest. Like Tracer said, he's calling it like he sees it.

Its ok though, we know you're from Seattle, nice little sparkling town with coffeehouses and yuppie parties. ;)

It all boils down to individual responsibility, to try to blame anything on culture, race, society or anything that takes responsibility of the offending asshole just justifies and perpetuates their antisocial behaviour. I've lived in the "ghetto" all my life until I moved to Japan (where I live a different type of ghetto), and it's easy to blame some of the crap that goes on aroung you on groups (especially when you're getting burglarized or having your car broken into, and don't know who the actual culprits are.) I've had my own personal battles with racist thoughts and opinons forming inside of me, but I know too many people who don't fit the profiles I set up, and they become invalid.
Moving to the different culture in Japan I've been the recipient of racial and cultural stereotyping, and have dished it out in equal fervour out of culture shock. The thing to remember is that if you're having a problem with someone, it's with an individual, not the group (real or imagined) that they're a part of.
To deal with the cheese problem it would probably be best to calmly explain your position and try to reach a better cheese distributing policy, than being equally defensive of your anti- manual cheese paste removal policy. He probably reacted out of embarressment of his probably learned and not intentional anti-social cheese aquiring behaviour. He probably felt as if you were picking on him and he did nothing wrong. if you had explained --calmly-- that eating cheese out of the tub with your hands could be unsanitary --at the moment of the incident--, instead of just letting him do it, and informing the other angry cheese deprived person of the culprit's unsanitary actions you could have avoided this episode of "the real world."