The Pope is Dead (Really)

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Originally Posted by Mman

But, for the record, anybody who does not believe in evolution is an idiot.

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To you, because you accept the theory.

Has macroevolution been observed?

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Originally Posted by frostwolf ex

in an appropriate thread, i call nobody an idiot, in a thread about the pope that has ignored him entirely for almost a page, yep, thats idiots. if you want to debate this,make a seperate thread, but does what you are saying have anything to do with the popes death? no, then its way off topic, thanks for playing.
but maybe im expecting too much of the guy who massivley derailed the "are you planned" thread with total nonsense.

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It's a religious discussion in a thread that's steeped in religious dogma about the head of one of the largest religious groups on the face of the Earth. I think you need to get that surgery to have the stick removed from your posterior.

Besides, by now all of us have heard every detail about the Pope's life, his death, the up-to-the-minute location of his corpse, etc. I think we can safely let the discussion turn to the broader subject at hand.

In the last hundred years? No, no it has not. But through fossils and recorded history before that it has. But my point is if you do not except the theory of evolution you are an idiot. Its just like the theory of gravity. Anybody who does not believe that is also an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Mike

To you, because you accept the theory.

Has macroevolution been observed?

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No, but evidence of it can be provided that supports the theory. Also, if new evidence comes along that disproves the theory outright it will be tested, and retested, until finally IT becomes the new science. You can't say that about religion, which has only one truth that MUST be believed without question.

The real point here is that religion provides an 'absolute truth', whereas science only provides 'the truth as we currently understand it'.

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Originally Posted by Mman

It is not off topic at all. Do you expect people to talk about the same thing for page after page? Threads are nothing like that. They are more organic and ideas and debates grow out of them and they are just fine in this thread because that is where the topic has lead us to. Its not like this thread was about the pope and we randomly came in and started talking about our favorite cheeses.

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its about as bad. if you are tired of talking about him, then make a new thread for what you want to talk about, and dont click this one.

and mike turns out, the first pope to talk about evolution in a positive light was pope pius in Humane generis. this pope just reinforced it.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

I think you need to get that surgery to have the stick removed from your posterior.

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love it, you never dissapoint me for civilized discussion :p Good to see you representing your side with the customary class.

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Originally Posted by Mman

In the last hundred years? No, no it has not. But through fossils and recorded history before that it has. But my point is if you do not except the theory of evolution you are an idiot. Its just like the theory of gravity. Anybody who does not believe that is also an idiot.

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Gravity can be observed: I just dropped my pen. If I went into space and let go of my pen, it would stay there.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I am willing to accept evolution as a possible explanation; whereas anything that involves people walking on water and giant frogs raining from the sky is about the same as LotR to me. I just happen to know that J.R.R. Tolkein was a real guy and he didn't mean for his stories to be taken seriously... can't say the same for Genesis and Revelations. The facts that our pinky fingers are getting shorter and we are generally getting taller, more stooped, more suited to the high-tech life; those are good enough indicators of microevolution to make an educated supposition. But it's just that, supposition, not fact. Like g0zen said:

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The real point here is that religion provides an 'absolute truth', whereas science only provides 'the truth as we currently understand it'.

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Originally Posted by frostwolf ex

love it, you never dissapoint me for civilized discussion :p Good to see you representing your side with the customary class.

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Yeah, I don't understand tossing around insults like that. I also doubt any of you would talk to each other like that in real life.

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Originally Posted by frostwolf ex

love it, you never dissapoint me for civilized discussion :p Good to see you representing your side with the customary class.

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Just doing my part.

"Most religious folk do believe in creationism and not evolution. I'm sure it's possible to believe in God and evolution, but I'm having a hard time finding one."

I can very easily...God doesn't follow the human construct of logic. Frankly, I don't think almsot any of you know what the word "religous" really means.

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Originally Posted by Andrew

Has anything physically evolved over the time we've been around?

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dogs.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

I can very easily...God doesn't follow the human construct of logic. Frankly, I don't think almsot any of you know what the word "religous" really means.

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LAWL. Isn't that convenient. I love how you can just make excuses for a being you're unable to understand logically. Exactly what evidence do you have to support this statement?

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yeah, I don't understand tossing around insults like that. I also doubt any of you would talk to each other like that in real life.

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If someone came up to me in real life and told me flat out I couldn't talk about something, I'd say the exact same thing. Though I'd probably use a few more expletives.