Legend of Zelda- Twilight Princess HD (Wii U)

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Originally Posted by Hero

Even games that release annually take longer than a year to make - again, how do you figure making NX content in 12 months or less is a great idea that would in no way result in a shitshow launch?

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You seriously think their internal teams just got the development kits? The NX has probably been in some level of development since before the Wii U launched. That's typically how hardware cycles work.

edit: Hell, Pikmin 4 that Miyamoto says was essentially already done could be an NX game.

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Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name

But if they want to be #1, then they need to take that rainy day money and hand it over to Activision or Take Two or whatever and get an exclusive (not counting PC of course) AAA title.

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That's a terrible idea though - why would they want to dump hundreds of millions into a game that would then have to service a niche of a niche group that 1) hates them no matter what, Because Nintendo and 2) don't make AAA the resounding successes publishers and journos try so hard to make you believe?

Dump 100 million into a game, and you'd have to sell a few million to just break even. Make a game like Minecraft, and 90 million in sales is just hand-over-fist in cash...

If Nintendo wants to be number 1, they need to quit listening to Gamers altogether.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

You seriously think their internal teams just got the development kits? The NX has probably been in some level of development since before the Wii U launched. That's typically how hardware cycles work.

edit: Hell, Pikmin 4 that Miyamoto says was essentially already done could be an NX game.

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So then the bitching about Wii U having no third party support could then continue its legacy on NX? That's the ideal solution here? Over waiting an extra year, at least?

Nintendo is never going to be #1 again. That's not even worth discussing. However, "profitable" is not really a binary thing. They don't want to barely be in the black like they were last quarter, and they've eaten into a lot of that "rainy day" fund their fans always point to. The best way to grow their margins is to have a single development platform that supports both the console and portable market and maybe even the mobile one, and the faster they get there, the quicker they will be able to grow.

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Originally Posted by Hero

So then the bitching about Wii U having no third party support could then continue its legacy on NX? That's the ideal solution here? Over waiting an extra year, at least?

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For me personally? Absolutely. I don't bitch about the Wii U having no third party support, because I don't want it to. I don't even want the PS4 to have any third party exclusives.

I like that Hero keeps spouting that Nintendo needs to quit listening to gamers, as if it ever did.
If Nintendo listened to gamers, I (and others) would own a ton of digital content (like I do on Sony*), far more people would be interested in its online arena (you know, the thing the helped solidify Xbox 360's success?), people wouldn't have thought the Wii U was just an add on for the Wii, and there would have been little need for stop gap measures like the circle pad pro and the "new" 3DS.

*and I don't even mean "one time purchases last forever," though it doesn't seem to hurt Sony or Apple or Google Play. I mean everything is tied to an account, not a machine.

I would offer that Nintendo definitely needs to listen to gamers more now than ever. It seems like a lot more nintendo fans are dying off than being born.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

The best way to grow their margins is to have a single development platform that supports both the console and portable market and maybe even the mobile one,

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I agree with this! I just don't think they should sacrifice quality/quantity of content over expediency.

And with SSJN, they 'gave up' on Gamers with the Wii and that outsold the PS3 and 360. The DS was their hand-wringing, "no, we'll have a 'real' Gameboy successor, Gamers," and it's the best-selling platform Nintendo's ever made. So yeah, they shouldn't listen to Gamers, if they're more concerned about staying profitable than making a niche of a niche happy by dumping millions into some exclusive with Take-Two.

One of the kids i babysit really likes Mario. I asked him if he liked Mario or Angry Birds more and he liked them both the same. I'll take it.

i'm trying to indoctrinate the kids i babysit into the church of isabelle...

You think Schick prefers to sell more razors or blades? Yes, the wii sold a lot of units. But the attach rate was pitiful.
And nintendo promising there'd be more game boys was more of an "out" for them in case the DS failed to take off than anything else.

Also, not "some" exclusive. The next GTA. A full fledged GTA, not just some b team throw away like the portable versions.

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Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name

You think Schick prefers to sell more razors or blades? Yes, the wii sold a lot of units. But the attach rate was pitiful.

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People think that but the hardware to software ratio isn't bad, better than any other Nintendo system if i'm not missing anything: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sale...oft/index.html
That's helped by the fact that Wii titles approaching 8 years old still have yearly sales that small but significant companies like Atlus would love to have on new releases: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...light=nintendo

I can't find anything on PS3 and 360 after 2009. PS2 was something like 10 software sales per console but i don't think anything else approached that, or at least Sony and Microsoft don't think it's significant enough to talk about that.