Xbox & GameCube vs. 3DO & Jaguar

For everyone on this board who can't stand people bashing Sega I think you should get over it. I don't know why you jump to the defense of them so strongly. I don't hate Sega's games because I hate Sega, I really don't like the games they are making these days. Their sports games definately are the best on the market but I don't really care. That genre played itself out for me in the Genny/SNES days. Why do any of you really care if I say Sega fucked me with their constant sytem bailouts? I wasn't even going to get the DC because I was already salty after the last 3 systems. The games looked so good and their plan at the time seemed great so I gave them another chance. I have nothing against the DC itself. I think the system had plenty of power to still be making games today that could keep pace with the big 3. I personally think Sega as a company sucks. You all need to get over it.

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I'll admit, if fighters and sports titles don't excite you, the Dreamcast won't exactly be your favorite system of all time, but there were so many other titles, that the aveage gamer did'nt experience.

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True, but the problem was, from what I heard, none of them were exceptional. A majority of them were "hey, if you have extra time, why don't you try these good to decent games" kinda games. To give you an idea of the games I like, I like action games: Time Crisis, Castlevania, Resident Evil, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon, Star Fox, y'know stuff like that. Sadly I'm not a big fan of 2D shooters, sports, racers, or RPGs, and those seems to be where the Dreamcast had a good amount of titles.

I was SO looking forward to Castlevania Resurrection. Sega could've even brought back Burning Rangers... :(

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Originally posted by gamevet

As a Dreamcast owner, I felt that Sega did everything they could, to support the system, and provided some great online gaming experience along the way.

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I couldnt agree with you less. I know of a large number of loyal Sega fans that wrote letters, as did I, and posted on forums much like this one, simply beggins Sega to bring out some of their old classics. Sega may have thought that Samba DAmigo had huge potential, but had they spent just a little less time on those maraccas and a few more weeks fine tuning the Smash Pack's sound emulation, they may have impressed a few more players. So many fans were waiting for Sega to revive a few of it's old franchises, franchises like Alexx Kidd, Golden Axe, and so many more.

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Did Sega really shit on me, as a loyal consumer? i don't think so. I would'nt have great Saturn games like Shining Force 3, Burning Rangers, Christmas Nights, Virtua Fighter Remix, Panzer Dragoon Saga, or House of the Dead, if Sega had'nt released them to those gamers who loved the Saturn. At least Sega gave us DC owners a substantial release of games, on a console that was no longer being made.

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I agree with you here, in part at least, about Sega doing a great job of releasing some great Saturn titles at the end of the systems life. Why couldnt they have done that with the DC? Most of the titles that they released at the end of the DC's life were all titles that they knew would not sell on the PS2 or XBOX, so they simply sisnt spend the money porting them. So basically, the DC loyals got shafted with all of the subpar games, while the sheep got the better of the lot.

Yup. A Sega fan no more. Not after what they pulled.

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Originally posted by SearchManX


True, but the problem was, from what I heard, none of them were exceptional. A majority of them were "hey, if you have extra time, why don't you try these good to decent games" kinda games. To give you an idea of the games I like, I like action games: Time Crisis, Castlevania, Resident Evil, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon, Star Fox, y'know stuff like that. Sadly I'm not a big fan of 2D shooters, sports, racers, or RPGs, and those seems to be where the Dreamcast had a good amount of titles.

I was SO looking forward to Castlevania Resurrection. Sega could've even brought back Burning Rangers... :(

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Hmmm, I could say the same thing about PS2. You say that you like games like:

1) Time Crisis: DC had House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Illbleed.

Resident Evil: Did'nt the DC have RE:CV? It also had Carrier and Blue Stinger.

Panzer Dragoon: PS2 still lacks a game of that quality, and X-Box fans will finally get a Sega killer app.


Burning Rangers: What system has a game like that. Would be great though.


Castlevania Resurrection: Has there really been a good 3-D version of Castlevania? They probably made the right choice in cancelling that one.


StarFox: I loved the Super Nintendo version, but found the N64 version to be lacking.


You say you like actions games. The DC had some good ones, that were ignored by most. Sword of Bezerk, Zombie Revenge, MDK2, Bleem: Metal Gear Solid, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil 3, Jedi Power Battles, Spiderman, Starlancer, Rayman 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2, Legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver, Mr. Driller, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation and Red Dog.


I have owned just about every console, including PS2,and Gamecube. How many consoles have you owned, that have as many good, to great games, in such a short period. I can only count about 12 must have games on the PS2, the rest are mediocre and not really worth my gaming time.

Originally posted by gamevet

"Time Crisis: DC had House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Illbleed."

I can't believe you bring up Illbleed like it's a game worth playing.

"Resident Evil: Did'nt the DC have RE:CV? It also had Carrier and Blue Stinger."

Code Veronica was great, Carrier was decent, Blue Stinger is absolute garbage.


"StarFox: I loved the Super Nintendo version, but found the N64 version to be lacking."

I agree totally with the SNES Starfox being much better then the N64 one.


"You say you like actions games. The DC had some good ones, that were ignored by most. Sword of Bezerk, Zombie Revenge, MDK2, Bleem: Metal Gear Solid, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil 3, Jedi Power Battles, Spiderman, Starlancer, Rayman 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2, Legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver, Mr. Driller, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation and Red Dog."

Do you realize that 11 of the 16 games you listed are ports of games that were out on another system for around a year?


"I have owned just about every console, including PS2,and Gamecube. How many consoles have you owned, that have as many good, to great games, in such a short period. I can only count about 12 must have games on the PS2, the rest are mediocre and not really worth my gaming time."

That's all a matter of opinion.

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Originally posted by gamevet

Hmmm, I could say the same thing about PS2.

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Well it's all a matter of opinion but for PS2: Metal Gear Solid 2, GTA3, Devil May Cry (oh yeah, baby, DC can't get close to this game), Onimusha/Onimusha 2, Time Crisis 2, Vampire Night (haven't played this one, looks good), Zone of the Enders (okay, this is mediocre, but equivalent to those DC games you listed), Twisted Metal: Black (this counts as action), and Maximo (okay, that's IT! Maximo ends the discussion!). I'm not even counting RE C:V X because it's a port, I don't count ports unless it originally appeared on the system. Don't get me wrong, the DC had a lot of potential, but in its time span, I don't think the DC lived up to it.

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You say that you like games like:

1) Time Crisis: DC had House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Illbleed.

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House of the Dead 2 -> I really want this game, can't find it in stores. Sega disappointed me by not releasing their own light gun here. I don't trust 3rd party products, thus, I never got HotD2, I wanted Typing though. Um... Illbleed... err... not that great... or so I've heard.

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Resident Evil: Did'nt the DC have RE:CV? It also had Carrier and Blue Stinger.

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Sorry forgot to mention that out of my list, RE was the only game I truly, really enjoyed on the DC. 'twas what convinced me to get a DC you know.

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Panzer Dragoon: PS2 still lacks a game of that quality, and X-Box fans will finally get a Sega killer app.

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Agree with you here on this one.

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Burning Rangers: What system has a game like that. Would be great though.

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I really like Burning Rangers but to tell you the truth, I haven't played that much of it. I only played the demo years ago. I'm sure there might be a game that was released somewhat like it, but I need to start playing BR...

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Castlevania Resurrection: Has there really been a good 3-D version of Castlevania? They probably made the right choice in cancelling that one.

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I'm sorry, but you have no right to say that unless you've actually played Castlevania 64. I thought it was a great game. The boss fights are pretty cool, go for it, man. Just enjoy it for what it is, not for what it isn't.

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StarFox: I loved the Super Nintendo version, but found the N64 version to be lacking.

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I played the SNES one, but... well I guess I felt more drawn into the world of Starfox 64 than the original. I LOVED the tank levels and the lava level...

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You say you like actions games. The DC had some good ones, that were ignored by most. Sword of Bezerk, Zombie Revenge, MDK2, Bleem: Metal Gear Solid, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil 3, Jedi Power Battles, Spiderman, Starlancer, Rayman 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2, Legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver, Mr. Driller, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation and Red Dog.

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I had a Playstation before I got my DC. If I didn't buy one because of Code Veronica, probably nothing would've gotten me to get one. Samba de Amigo? No. Seaman? Nope. Zombie Revenge? Reviews didn't help it. You COUNTED Bleem's MGS!? Why would I BUY a DC just to play Bleem's MGS? I have the Bleempak now, and the graphics are cool BUT the analog isn't that great and you need a GODDAMN separate VMU for saves!!!!!!!

Sword of Bezerk? Didn't Gamefan completely and utterly trash this game? And they're loyal Sega followers...

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I have owned just about every console, including PS2,and Gamecube. How many consoles have you owned, that have as many good, to great games, in such a short period. I can only count about 12 must have games on the PS2, the rest are mediocre and not really worth my gaming time.

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I don't buy consoles that have a short life span anymore. The Sega CD taught me that lesson. Unfortunately I didn't learn it with the DC, but hey, Code Veronica was SWEET. And uh.. other than Cannon Spike and Code Veronica, there are no other action games on the DC that are that great...

-Search

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[i]Originally posted by SearchManX




I played the SNES one, but... well I guess I felt more drawn into the world of Starfox 64 than the original. I LOVED the tank levels and the lava level...



I had a Playstation before I got my DC. If I didn't buy one because of Code Veronica, probably nothing would've gotten me to get one. Samba de Amigo? No. Seaman? Nope. Zombie Revenge? Reviews didn't help it. You COUNTED Bleem's MGS!? Why would I BUY a DC just to play Bleem's MGS? I have the Bleempak now, and the graphics are cool BUT the analog isn't that great and you need a GODDAMN separate VMU for saves!!!!!!!

Sword of Bezerk? Didn't Gamefan completely and utterly trash this game? And they're loyal Sega followers...



-Search

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Red Dog played a lot like the tank levels in Star Fox64.

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Originally posted by gamevet

Red Dog played a lot like the tank levels in Star Fox64.

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I'm trying my best to remember hearing this game somewhere... you know what was a cool tank game? That Tokyo Wars game... that was fun! I'll look into Red Dog...

What Sega could've done to make the DC's action library must-have:

Shinobi
Altered Beast
Golden Axe
Burning Rangers

Any two of these games would've changed my stance on the DC's library in an instant. But hey, my opinions don't revive a system back to life. :)

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Originally posted by SearchManX


Sword of Bezerk? Didn't Gamefan completely and utterly trash this game? And they're loyal Sega followers...

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ECM didn't like it, Fury did. Personally, I loved it, and everyone I've shown it to thought it was really cool. Amazing story, booming orchestral soundtrack, a totally badass character, an arsenal of weapons and moves, one of the craziest bosses ever, and tons of enemy-mangling action.

Some of the levels can get repetitive, and it can get a bit tough when you're fighting in narrow alleyways with your gigantic sword, but definitely worth whatever tiny sum you'll end up paying for it.

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You're right. Suddenly the clouds have parted and my insanity has ended...Sega did it all to shit on us gamers. With every 32-X sold there was another clink of champagne glasses at their sinister HQ, knowing that someone else was about to recieve the royal shaft. And on those glorious occasions when the time came to pull the plug on a system the company couldn't afford to support any longer without risking bankruptcy, a loud cheer errupted from the hooded throng of Sega executives as a monsoon of excrement decended upon their customer base. Another victory won.

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LOL

I have to admit, you are one funny wiseass motherfucker.