You mean another attack in the US? Let me clear that up for you: No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_B
Airport security is still a joke, and more vulnerabilities are discovered all the time.
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You mean another attack in the US? Let me clear that up for you: No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_B
Airport security is still a joke, and more vulnerabilities are discovered all the time.
Theres no failsafe against terrorists, it's like trying to protect students from school shootings. If someone wants to go kill some people theres nothing that the local authorities or CIA can do about it, however attacks on the scale of 9/11 or greater take months of planning, lots of cash, and lots of people, all of which can lead a trail that hopefully the intelligence agencies can follow and stop the attacks before they happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnk_
7 exploding buses and/or subway cars though, could happen anyday, anywhere with no chance of being thwarted.
dude, those are not realted. "islam" itsself isnot where these terrorists come from. the radical clerics will be creating terrorists and hate the west will be brainwashing impressionable teenagers in absence of how the western society actually treats them. Nothing is going to stop an oppertunistic recruiter from finding a vulnerable, angsty teenager and giving him and identity based on their misinterpretation of islam. what gun do you want england to use to fight the gun? if you crack down on muslims who have done nothign wrong, then you make that many more disinfranchised teens.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
Airport security is still a joke, I agree.
But being able to repeat another airplane hijacking is almost impossible. So I don't see the point in screening passengers down to their boxers. Its like trying to protect the sheep from themselves. Protect the sheppard and the majority of the sheep are safe. I don't think its possible to get to the cockpit anymore.
Or if you follow history, a few less jews.Quote:
if you crack down on muslims who have done nothign wrong, then you make that many more disinfranchised teens.
Yea, and there are lots of those radical clerics in the UK, and there has been for years. London's Mayor is one of those ultra-hippies who blames Bush and Blair for everything. These clerics are allowed to exist in the UK because of the moral equivalence crowd that says these people have a right to do what they do. All of this is, to the terrorists, a sign of weakness on the part of Western countries and a sign that we are soft and can be defeated.Quote:
dude, those are not realted. "islam" itsself isnot where these terrorists come from. the radical clerics will be creating terrorists and hate the west will be brainwashing impressionable teenagers in absence of how the western society actually treats them.
I understand the difference between regular Muslims and terrorists, but I also understand that England is letting Islamic fundamentalism fester in their country.
Are you implying that I'm going to support terrorists the next time they strike? Never in any way, shape, or form have I ever given the impression that I support terrorism or the murderers who practice it. I can't believe you'd use such a grim occasion as a chance to take such a low swipe at me.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightWolve
If we don't act it's a sign of weakness, if we do act then we're waging war on Islam. You're just as bad as those who'd blame Bush and Blair for these attacks. Do you really think that banning these clerics in the UK (or the US, or France) who preach fundamentalist Islam will somehow decrease the chance the Western powers will be targeted for terrorism? If so, I'd like you to show me any evidence that supports this.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffusionx
EDIT: Look, I agree that what these fundamentalists preach is trash and the clerics themselves are scumbags. I also think it should be noted that there is a finger to be pointed at moderate Islam for being apatheic or silently complicit with radical fundamentalists. We really need to work towards making the moderate Muslims step up and not only disown these radicals, but fight them with the same diligence we do. As it stands, they just aren't prepared to do that.
EDIT x2: The way I look at it, it's like the Klan. They still have people across the US who get on soapboxes and bloviate for hours on how everything is the fault of diversity and the jews, yet no one takes them seriously because the culture we live in isn't the same as the one they're preaching from. Americans as a people have changed our attitudes towards foreigners, racial minorities, etc. to one of better understanding an acceptance. We need to get the Muslim world to make that transition. Unfortunately, they seem stuck in their own dark age and I don't know what will finally be the turning point.
LOL. Nice try. Your ability to misread confounds the mind. No, I meant he's gonna regret having complimented you. Agreeing with you, fine, that's one thing. But next time the big fight comes around with whatever the subject matter is and you're irritating him to no end, I'm gonna come in and paste his "g0zen is an intelligent person" quote, then laugh at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
WTF are you talking about? You can disagree with someone and still acknowledge that they're an intelligent person.
Nobody said otherwise. I said he'll regret it later. Has Yoshi ever been paid such a compliment/acknowledgement by his opposition then on rare cases of agreement? It might've happened I admit, but I'm doubtful. "Good dog, you agree with us. You're intelligent! Bad dog, you don't agree with us... You're back to being 'TNL's Most Hated', fucking moron, douchebag, far right-wing idiot, etc. etc."Quote:
Originally Posted by johnk_
Yes, we are screwed! Fuck it. Sharia law 4 life.Quote:
If we don't act it's a sign of weakness, if we do act then we're waging war on Islam. You're just as bad as those who blame Bush and Blair. Do you really think that banning these clerics in the UK (or the US, or France) who preach fundamentalist Islam will somehow decrease the chance the Western powers will be targeted for terrorism?
I guess I have to apologize because I see a problem with these guys being able to preach hate and evil towards our countries will living in our countries. When Falwell says gays are evil, half the country stands up (as they should). When one of these clerics says Western civilization is evil, everybody is silent, Moderate Muslims are silent, etc. If anybody says anything, CAIR or whatever the equivalent of CAIR is in England will call them racist and so forth.
But yea, whatever. Carry on.