Zelda: Twilight Princess delayed

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23 Aug 2005, 01:14 AM
Zerohero

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Originally Posted by diffusionx

MGS never came out for the NES, slugger.

WTF you knew exactly what I meant. MG for NES now do you get it.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

I'll also throw my hat in with the whole "OoT wasn't that great" crowd.

People talk about how great Epona was. Why? You could only really use him in one place, and it was a goddamn empty field. Wonderful. And that field managed to be the laziest thing I've ever seen in a Zelda. Even Capcom tried to make their worlds flow nicely, but with OoT we just got a large empty hub. The dungeons fared better, though... until the fucking water temple. And block puzzles were no more fun then than they are now.

It's like I said before Lttp was the best zelda ever made and I can say that without a doubt.
23 Aug 2005, 02:46 AM
Salsashark

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Except that Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, and Metal Gear Solid had already done it...

Please. Let us not forget Mystical Ninja.
23 Aug 2005, 05:18 AM
avatar

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Originally Posted by Tommy Tallarico

You're right, I never played Majora's Mask. The three rehashes I'm referring to are OOT, WW and Twilight Princess. Of course, I've never played Twilight Princess either, but everything I see in videos and interviews seems like it's the same game again, down to the exact same control methods, puzzle solving and combat.

OOT is one of the greatest games of all time because it was brand-new and innovative for its time. You could say it pretty much created 3D adventure games when no other company knew how to properly transition from 2D. WW is a poor attempt at trying to recreate OOT's magic with forced sailing and a forced graphical style to give it enough to differentiate itself. It was an expansion pack that let you sail around for hours instead of walking around for hours. Twilight Princess looks like it's going to be a second expansion pack with horse fighting. I'm not excited for it and I don't give a shit at all if it's delayed forever, because I don't want to play another Nintendo rehash.

I'll take back everything I've said if Twilight Princess ends up being a totally unique and engrossing experience like I've never played before, but it seems like Nintendo's stopped trying to make that sort of game and has instead settled down into the tried-and-true like an old man that's scared of change.

Hm A bitter Tommy Tallarico review. What a suprise. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Zerohero

It's like I said before Lttp was the best zelda ever made and I can say that without a doubt.

WTF is so important about the overworld? It's just a time waster until you get to the dungeon.

LTTP overworld was just a bunch of green/blue knights,grass, and the occasional mole that threw rocks. Nothing amazing there at all.Hell I give OOT props for adding new shit to the overworld like the helicopter trees and night-time zombies.WW overworld was useless.
23 Aug 2005, 05:20 AM
Revoltor

I couldn't get past some volcano in OOT. I gave up soon after :-x
23 Aug 2005, 10:33 AM
sethsez

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Originally Posted by avatar

WTF is so important about the overworld?

Aside from the fact that it's what holds the rest of the game together? If you're going to make a game that's supposedly about adventure and exploration, don't center it around a big empty field that can be crossed on foot in 30 seconds.
23 Aug 2005, 11:34 AM
1CCOSA

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Hm A bitter Tommy Tallarico review. What a suprise. :rolleyes:

Yeah, he really needs to work more on making a better show on G4 rather than supposedly posting here all the time. But Strider says it really is him. Scary, no?

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WTF is so important about the overworld? It's just a time waster until you get to the dungeon.

LTTP overworld was just a bunch of green/blue knights,grass, and the occasional mole that threw rocks. Nothing amazing there at all.Hell I give OOT props for adding new shit to the overworld like the helicopter trees and night-time zombies.WW overworld was useless.

Yeah what is the huge difference between LTTP's overworld and OoT's that makes LTTP's so flippin' untouchable? It's mainly nostalgia. Also, the "peahats" (the helicopter monster plants) are taken right from the in the first NES Zelda which was a beautiful touch, and the little zombie toadies rocked. And besides the seamless transition to 3D, the sheer vastness and amount of things you can do in TOoT's overworld....well I could go on.

Shifting day and night, zombie skeletons, peahats and horseback riding all own rock tossing moles and charging green 'n blue knights.

And Seth, rising Epona "sucked" because you're "just" in the middle of a field? Weak, c'mon. I'm no jockey but that is basically the gist of horseback riding, McGee. :p
23 Aug 2005, 11:43 AM
Drewbacca

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WTF is so important about the overworld? It's just a time waster until you get to the dungeon.

But a lot of the story, interaction and fun came from the overworld. In some ways it's better than the dungeons. Yes, but together they are like the power rangers Megazoid (i'm sure I didn't get that name right). Think of games like this. Individual cars as representing different facets of the animal kingdom coming together to thwart evil, or terrible game design.

This is exactly how game devs come up with great games. It's the secret. They draw a large mech and try to figure out which animal components fit best with what they're trying to accomplish. See the first to 3D GTA's didn't use fish components, so the water game wasn't playable. But San Andreas incorporated some kind of sea faring creature, perhaps a barracuda or lobster.

Anyway, the overworld is a great way to tie in more gameplay elements with story and LTTP did that. (the hammer anyone?) I still enjoy OOT and LttP. I don't even want to rank them, and why should I?
23 Aug 2005, 12:33 PM
1CCOSA

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I still enjoy OOT and LttP. I don't even want to rank them, and why should I?

Good attitude.
23 Aug 2005, 01:48 PM
Tommy Tallarico

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Originally Posted by Dylan1CC

Yeah, he really needs to work more on making a better show on G4 rather than supposedly posting here all the time. But Strider says it really is him. Scary, no?

Regardless of whether my shows or posts are good enough for you, you'll still be following me around everywhere I go because you can't get enough of me. This is the exact same reason Nintendo won't improve: you'll still be there, throwing logic and reason out of the window to find ways to bend backwards in efforts to support and defend their gimmicks and disappointments.
23 Aug 2005, 02:00 PM
dave is ok

Tallarico > all.

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