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You see, it's wrong and unfair for me to generalize conservatives, yet in his next sentence SpoDaddy does the EXACT SAME THING but it's okay because he's talking about liberals;Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
This is what I'm talking about when I say the 'FOX News punditry school of debate'.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
See, this is why no one takes you seriously. Virtually every one of your posts in this thread have been riddled with insults against people who think differently than you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
You lost like, on page 1.
Now Gozen, i have posted articles defending my points, but internet politics, is dumb, because you post some counter points and then I will, etc.
let's just agree that firstblood is a douche, I'm a conservative, and you're not, fair enough.
Wizbang is a blatantly partisan right-wing idiot. And besides, the tax cuts havent paid for themselves... I mean, Bush was bragging about a deficit that was lowered from $500 billion to $300 billion. Thats like a kid coming home bragging that he got an F+ instead of an F--. You forget that the evil Bill Clinton had a projected 10 year surplus of $5 trillion when he left office.
And nobody said the FairTax didnt have potential pitfalls. In fact, I said that very thing! That link you provided said that one problem with the FairTax is it is potentially not progressive enough. Kind of funny, considering you were talking shit about the very concept of progressive taxes.
I joke, they take it serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Well see now, I took this light hearted at first, now if you would have READ my links on the last page, professor, you would have noticed that I am now defending my points.
However I love you website.
I referred to a radical faction of the Democratic party, not all liberals. Try again. I don't need to resort to stupid gimmicks like calling you a "clintonista" to own you.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
No the point is that there are flaws any time money and people are involved. It's the system of capitalism people put on trial. The grass is always greener effect I say.
My stance is this;
A) VAT tax will not work in the US, I stated supply and demand as the problem.
B) FAIR Tax is this generations pet rock
C) Liberal Taxation will ruin the common man, not help him. If you are already paying 32% on your $32,000, and Billary gets in office and raises the taxes 6% that is going to hurt you. This country will not let you tax the rich and leave the middle class alone, they are the backbone of this country, by FAR.
You want to fix this mess, our government needs to learn how to fix problems the way they did before throwing money at the issue was en vogue.
D) Conservatives are being attacked because the current leadership is full of flaws and corruption, hell I KNOW THAT. However I won't change the fact that I like smaller government as a rule.
You forget that Bill Clinton neutered the CIA and gutted the military while completely ignoring the escalating terrorist attacks on his country to put up that "projected" surplus, which was promptly wiped out by 9/11 (a direct result of Clinton's inactions). If only Clinton's biggest sin was getting a BJ.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Clinton raised taxes nominally because the government couldn't do its job without it. Reagan tried to cut taxes massively - it didn't work. He had to raise them later. Bush had to raise them later. Clinton raised them. Supply side economics dont work. That is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
So am I. But the way to make smaller government is not to implement massive tax cuts without a sufficient cut in spending. Bush didnt do that. Hell Bush expanded the federal government more than any president since LBJ. Far more than Clinton ever did. It's not responsible, it's not good government, it's not good policy. We will end up paying for these tax cuts eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
If you still think Bush has done jack shit to protect this country, you are just blind. DHS is incompetent, FEMA is shit now (compared to as it was under Clinton), the CIA is undermined and embarrassed by Negroponte and friends, our ports aren't secure, our airports aren't secure (making us take off our shoes is a fucking joke), our nuclear plants aren't secure, the government is wasting time and effort checking grandmas' phone records, I could go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
I don't think anybody here is arguing that Bush has been fiscally responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan