Wasn't Montana quoted somewhere as saying he intended to throw that ball away? It's a testament to his noodle arm that he couldn't even accomplish that.
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Wasn't Montana quoted somewhere as saying he intended to throw that ball away? It's a testament to his noodle arm that he couldn't even accomplish that.
Aikmans 3 superbowls
*1992 buf W,52-17 | 22 30 273 4 0 | 3 28 0
shell shocked buffalo team
1993 buf W,30-13 | 19 27 207 0 1 | 1 3 0
thank god for Emmit Smith
*1995 pit W,27-17 | 15 23 209 1 0 | 4 -3 0
see above
Not that impressed.
Also take a look at these awesome numbers:
1996 min W,40-15 | 19 29 178 0 1 | 2 4 1
1996 car L,17-26 | 18 36 165 1 3 | 1 0 0
1998 ari L,7-20 | 22 49 191 1 3 | 1 0 0
1999 min L,10-27 | 22 38 286 0 1 | 0 0 0
Well, by your very own logic, that "noodle" armed QB is 10 times better than Aikman.
And this is true. However, he was also the highest graded QB prospect of the modern era coming out of college, so it wasn't Emmitt/Irvin/OL making him look good. In fact, it could be argued that Emmitt being there actually hurt him, because he never had the opportunity to show his stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
Montana, on any other team, would have been average at best. Aikman, on many other teams, would have had much better individual numbers.
Nah, I like Aikman, just met his family this week after the hall of fame induction.
However, Montana was a better playoff QB stats show this, and he never had a RB the class of Smith, while it could be argued that Irvin in his prime was every bit as good as Rice, he just didn't sustain his career long enough.
Actually, it could be argued that Aikman had more talent to work with than Montana.
You put Aikman on the Browns in place of Kosar, he wins a super bowl.
You put Montana on the Browns in place of Kosar, they win 2 superbowls.
So let's compare
Better O-line= Aikman
Better RB= Aikman
Better Defense= Aikman
Better WR's=Montana
Better TE= Aikman
Better Coach= Push
Better Record= Montana
Better Playoff Record=Montana
Better Stats= Montana
I don't buy this at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
I don't know how you could possibly argue anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba
You are trying to shoehorn the best QB (in terms of numbers and success) of our time into a box because he didn't have "prototypical" skills like Aikman, when the proof that he was a superior player is sitting right in front of your face.
By your logic, Warrick Dunn is too small, and Steve Smith is too short, so, despite their numbers, they suck. Makes no sense.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
By talent, I meant supporting cast.
Montana had to have a specific offense in order to be successful. That is not true of Warrick Dunn or Steve Smith. On the other hand, Aikman had a Hall-of-Fame career in an offense built to run first and without a multitude of pathetic 5 yard patterns that Rice, Clark, Taylor, Craig, Jones, etc. turned into big numbers.
I buy that Montana was a great leader. You'll never convince me that he was a great athlete.
I never said he was a great athlete Yoshi, I said he was a winner. He could have played for any team at any time. Adjustments are made for all QB's despite skill. You should know as well as anybody that Aikman struggled when forced out of the pocket, that's why Novocek was so valuable, he was his outlet valve.
Hell, if I had Rice and Taylor, I had fucking Brett Favre throw them 5 yard slants all day long too. Why risk interceptions with 20 yard passes when the 5 yarder is just as valuable? That's why the west coast offense was born.
Favre would still throw stupid interceptions. He's the complete opposite of Montana. He had a million dollar arm and a ten cent head.
IBTN!
I'm not a big Favre fan myself.
Here a ditty from Bill Walsh on Joe Cool:
Joe's final game for Notre Dame was the 1979 Cotton Bowl against the University of Houston. In a now famous performance, the slender sometime-starter, electrified a national audience as he directed the Fighting Irish back from a 34-12 deficit, midway through the fourth quarter, to a 35-34 win.
Pro scouts, however, were still skeptical. They questioned Montana's arm strength and his overall durability. As a result he wasn't selected until the third round of the 1979 National Football League draft. Three quarterbacks, Jack Thompson, Phil Simms, and Steve Fuller were selected before him.
"The minute I saw Joe move, there was no question in my mind that he was the best I'd seen," former 49ers head coach Bill Walsh said referring to Montana's pre-draft workout. "I knew with the offense I planned to run, Joe would be great."
Walsh said he was the best he had every SEEN, pretty good words there.
Aikman is stationary and needs a great line to win, Montana needs great route runners, I'd call that a push.
edit: In addition, Montana smoked Marino in the superbowl,and I hate Marino with a passion ! <3 him for that.