Is the Wii really going to be what we expect?

and whoops what? It is. Not many good 3rd party games, the best games on the system don't use the faggy touchpad.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

and whoops what? It is. Not many good 3rd party games, the best games on the system don't use the faggy touchpad.

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BZZZRT! I think the two best DS games are Meteos and Ouendan.

LAWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by rama

are graphics and system power really that important this time around? it seems to me that gameplay is becoming more of an important factor now adays. i dunno...maybe i'm wrong. or maybe it's just an important factor to me 'cause i don't really care about graphics and just want a fun game to play.

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Graphics are important to me as systems get more powerful. If I'm going to drop a few hundred dollars on a system, I don't particularly want to see games that can be graphically done on a current or previous generation system. That's not to say that graphics take priority over gameplay, but they should certainly be a big part of a game, since they often times add to the gameplay and/or the mood of the game.

but how much improvement has happened/is going to happen with the next gen? it was a big jump from flat/16 bit stuff to 3D. 3D graphics have gotten better and better but once we've done all that, then what? nintendo's move is making more sense to me now that i'm thinking about it like this. not saying they're gonna slay the competition or do poorly but...maybe more interactivity is the next logical step after we've done all we can with graphics.

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Originally Posted by rama

but how much improvement has happened/is going to happen with the next gen? it was a big jump from flat/16 bit stuff to 3D. 3D graphics have gotten better and better but once we've done all that, then what? nintendo's move is making more sense to me now that i'm thinking about it like this. not saying they're gonna slay the competition or do poorly but...maybe more interactivity is the next logical step after we've done all we can with graphics.

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The increased power means more than just graphical improvements. We should be seeing a big step forward in AI this generation. Bigger worlds, more characters on screen, massive draw distance, improved lighting, better physics. Everything we've come to know in the past generation is going to get much more refined. There's a lot to be done graphics wise still.

the thing is, i think all these things can be done on current gen stuff. maybe i just don't know enough about it to say or what to really look for. i mean...are we really gonna notice if a world is much bigger than they have been? well...actually, i take that back. i noticed it in dragon quest 8..but that's about it, really. also, can computer AI not be improved on current gen systems any more? is there like...a limit or stoping point? sometimes i wish system generations lasted longer just to see what could really be done when developers take the time to do things and get better with using the hardware.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

and whoops what? It is. Not many good 3rd party games, the best games on the system don't use the faggy touchpad.

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The DS has lot of good third party games. There's Castlevania and Phoenix Wright and new Castlevania and Phoenix Wright coming. :p

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Originally Posted by rama

the thing is, i think all these things can be done on current gen stuff. maybe i just don't know enough about it to say or what to really look for. i mean...are we really gonna notice if a world is much bigger than they have been? well...actually, i take that back. i noticed it in dragon quest 8..but that's about it, really. also, can computer AI not be improved on current gen systems any more? is there like...a limit or stoping point? sometimes i wish system generations lasted longer just to see what could really be done when developers take the time to do things and get better with using the hardware.

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It was time for the PS2 to upgrade to the PS3, but the Xbox never really pushed the hardware it had to the edge. Games like Shadow of Collosus basically prove my point. You can tell its pushing the PS2 graphically to its limits. Ico came close to doing it, but it used the fog effect to cut down on that. But SOC pushes the game graphically , to its limits. There are others I could list, but you get the idea. What game on Xbox pushed the system to where the Hardware couldn't keep up with the games?

GRAW.