Fair Tax (take two)

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

A "simple town doctor" that owned livestock, real estate, and other investment vehicles? Puh-lease. You are pathetic. If the simple town doctor has the same amount of money as the hotshot NY doctor, they should pay the same amount of taxes. I dont give a shit where you are from.

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first, I didn't say anything about a NY doctor. Just that there is a difference between someone that is only worth one or two mill when they die, and some jack ass in control of a company that makes a mill every day, week, month or year.

Plus, I was talking about death tax. It is immoral to tax someone on their positions when they die. If you can't see that, you're brain dead. You pay tax when you buy it, and if you make money with it you pay income tax. If it uses gas you pay tax when you use it. If its inside city limits you pay city tax. If its a building or other property you pay property tax. It's complete fucking bullshit to make a family pay tax to get something from a dead relative when that person has been paying taxes on said thing from the day he claimed ownership of it. And it is immoral to take the achievements of someone and reattributed them, regardless of the state of those who they are being reattributed to.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

You attend Mississippi State, don't you? Guess who subsidizes your tuition and gives you grants and cheap loans to attend it?.

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I go to school on cold hard cash. Though the school probably gets grants and other breaks, my tuition is a completely different matter.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

So if you become rich and successful because of that degree you owe that success in part to the school that educated you and that school is paid for with tax dollars. As such it is not unreasonable for the government to ask more of you so it can continue to help people as it helped you.

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that is still only your perspective. You could just as easily say that the school owes industry for providing co-ops, internships, and jobs after graduation, or hell the entire motivation for getting an education in the first place.

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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

please read up on this. Everything I've read about that period says that there were tons of loop holes to get out of that.

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You're the one who needs to read up more, everything I've read talks about how the middle class thrived and became what it was in the US because of the very progressive tax system of the post-WWII era.

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I go to school on cold hard cash. Though the school probably gets grants and other breaks, my tuition is a completely different matter.

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Wrong, even if you never get a loan or grant the state is paying money for you to attend there. Its the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition, dumbass.

This is to speak nothing of your K-12.

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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

that is still only your perspective. You could just as easily say that the school owes industry for providing co-ops, internships, and jobs after graduation, or hell the entire motivation for getting an education in the first place.

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This is exactly the kind of thinking that doesn't belong at college. If you want to go to a job factory, go to trade school, college is about more than that.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

Wrong, even if you never get a loan or grant the state is paying money for you to attend there. Its the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition, dumbass.

This is to speak nothing of your K-12.

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k-12 doesn't matter, as everyone is forced to go through that. So it should at least be paid for evenly.

And I can't help that the government keeps me from paying out of state. I never asked them to.

Besides, they get back what they put in by doing that anyway. They only do it to encourge you to stay in state and spend your money there, both as a student, and then when you graduate.

God, this is pointless, IP is arguing in circles.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

This is exactly the kind of thinking that doesn't belong at college. If you want to go to a job factory, go to trade school, college is about more than that.

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so its about how you fucking owe everyone else, and should lift them up?

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Originally Posted by g0zen

God, this is pointless, IP is arguing in circles.

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you two are the ones with circular logic.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

You're the one who needs to read up more, everything I've read talks about how the middle class thrived and became what it was in the US because of the very progressive tax system of the post-WWII era.

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that doesn't say anything about those loopholes. Many of them were beneficial to society. Most of the loop holes involved putting your money in things that helped others out. Like business, land, goods, investments. Pretty much anything that wasn't hording it like an ogre.

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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

that doesn't say anything about those loopholes. Many of them were beneficial to society. Most of the loop holes involved putting your money in things that helped others out. Like business, land, goods, investments. Pretty much anything that wasn't hording it like an ogre.

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Same as today. But no matter which way you look at it, rich are paying far less taxes now than they did forty years ago. And based on the evidence that is bad for American society.

maybe the super rich, but my dad pays in enough to buy me a new car every year. All this crap about everyone who makes more money than you two as being super rich, is just that, fucking crap.

You two's idea of what the cut off is, is pure bullshit.

EDIT: at least take inflation into account. Making 100,000 a year isn't what it used to be. This is the year 2006, where new cars are like +30,000 and small houses can cost something like +150,000.

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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

And I can't help that the government keeps me from paying out of state. I never asked them to.

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lol

Unbelievable.