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Transparent character attack aside, I don't fall into any of those catagories. That's why I'm displeased with the whole beltway politick.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
It's not hopeless, but it does pose a significant challenge. Really the best thing you can do is work within the two parties to try and elevate better candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
Kerry was such a big peace of shit that he validated just about every conspiracy theory I've ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Really, that was the best man that the Demo's had? They couldn't rangle up another Clinton, or a Clinto light?
It's like they thought "lol, bush is such a turd, we can run any dipshit we want against him, and still win. lol lol lol XD "
What does this even mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
He wasn't chosen as the best, he was chosen by the people (Democrats) to be their candidate. Personally, I think Edwards should have been the main man, he had just about as much political experience as GWB going in, and of the Dems in that were running for the spot he was the most charismatic, least tainted, and had the most crossover appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
That's not really how it works, IronPlant. In all actuality, I'd say the DNC had hoped Daschle would win the primary.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Yoshi made a comment about non-religious people being unelectable. It's a true statement. I was making an admittedly crude and hateful attempt to shine a little light on the absurdity of the way that works.Quote:
Originally Posted by avatar
On topic, there is no viable alternative to republicans and democrats at the moment. I think only voting for someone you "hate the least" kind of defeats the purpose of voting. I appreciate the right, but I've never been able to use it in good conscience.
It means that Kerry was such a pile of shit that it made me wonder if we really do have alien lizard overlords pulling the shots. It defiantly didn't feel like logical human beings had any say in either part at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Fuck Edwards. He was a fucking trial lawyer. His ideas about tort reform were a horrible joke for the little guy. He wanted to make a committee of lawyers for people to go up against before they could sew people.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Do you have any idea what that would do to poor people/lower middle class people? It's like a huge fuck you to those people, because they won't be able to afford as good of a lawyer as the rich company. It was essentially a free pass to rich companies that could afford a better law team to argue their case better to the committee.
It would also increase time and case settlements because of the extra time and effort that said committee would add to the legal system. People would have to start suing for more to pay their lawyers for that extra work. It would also take them longer to get the money they needed because of this extra step(s).
I can not support a man that would concoct any idea that has the potential to hurt so many people. The whole idea was just slimy and full of BS.
I know that. It still felt that way. I wanted to vote demo that ellection. Kerry was a huge wtf for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Not at all, the point of voting by the people is that we each choose our own parameters for what we cast our vote for. So, I may cast my vote because I feel that voting for the major party candidate who is most in line with my views means I have a better chance of seeing atleast those views I do share with the candidate advanced in Washington. Joe Blow sixpack after me in the booth may vote for whomever he thinks is killing the al-Queda who sent their spacemen from Baghdad to shoot a cruise missile into the Pentagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
It is notoriously unreliable as a way to decide the person best 'qualified' to lead (a flaw of democracy going back all the way to the days of Plato), but the idea is that these people only rule at the will of the people, thus by voting someone into office they have gained our conscent to lead us.
I think the germans are ahead of us in the democracy department. If we really want to keep/give our consent, we need a niether option on our ballet.
There needs to be a realistic way of letting the government know that it's people are not happy with it. Not having that option forces us to be passive and go with the lesser of two evils.
The only problem Kerry had was that he'd been in Washington too long before he decided to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Are you joking? Do you know anything about John Edwards background? He fought for the little guy against big corporations that were selling pool drain covers that didn't work and turned a child's innards inside out. Also, his kind of TORT reform is peanuts compared to the kind Republicans support, oh and have since made progress to passing through.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
So what did you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
There is, though. It's called organizing. When voters with an agenda to push consolidate the parties do an about face quick as you please.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
That's effectively what I mean. I think both sides are completely off. How can I really support someone who hates queers, but thinks we should crack down on big business? I can't justify giving someone like that any support, even if I do agree with a few of their points.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
did he do that for free? (if he did, please link me because I can't find anything saying he did.) He's a trial lawyer, that is the kind of shit they do for a living. Him fighting for that little girl doesn't make him a hero or a saint. The facts are that he got the company to give $25 million, the largest personal injury award in North Carolina history and he used his son's death in the case to get an emotional response from the jury.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
You can make all kinds of assumptions out of all that info. You can assume that he is an awesome guy for taking it to the man, or you can assume he is a self serving turd that would use his own son's death to win a case. It can really go either way.
His ideas on TORT reform seem self serving because it insures that he and his ilk continue to have a job if not more jobs, while caps would not.
Just because I don't like Edward’s ideas of tort reform, doesn't mean I like the republican’s ideas either. Though I would suppose that a cap (if that is the one you are talking about) would be better than not getting anything because you can't afford a lawyer good enough to argue your case in front of the magical suing committee.
I didn't vote. I believe the choice of no action is still a choice. I voted by not voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
That is only one option and perhaps not the best one. When that is the only option you give the people you put more power in the hands of the insane. One of the reasons American politics are so fucked up is that small interest groups are just wily and nutbars enough to get their shit together and make their gay hating kill everyone that isn't American voice heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Everyone else, that is sane, is busy trying to get through their day.