I'm fairly sure she doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
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I'm fairly sure she doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
People pick and choose what to follow in their religion all of the time. I don't hear many cases of people stoning their children to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
That and I'm fairly certain that plenty of Catholics use some kind of birth control. My publications teacher was Catholic and agreed all the time that a lot of the stuff wasn't practical anymore and people ignore whatever they want to as needed.
I'm getting rather tired of people confusing religious marriage and legal marriage and then applying logic from one to the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
God doesn't care if the state gives you a marriage license, and the state doesn't care if the Church of Whoever sanctions your marriage. What the church allows and does not allow means absolutely nothing to this debate beyond obfuscating the real issue, which is marriage in the eyes of the state.
Sethsez, will you marry me?
It sounds like he will.
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Originally Posted by Thief Silver
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I still want to know why a church's desire to hold or not hold gay marriages has any impact whatsoever on the issue of legalized gay marriage when varying legal and religious definitions have managed to co-exist in the past. Just because the state allows something doesn't mean there's any expectation that churches have to as well. Just look at marriages between people of different faiths... any church, synagogue, mosque or what have you can refuse to hold wedding ceremonies if they so choose. There's also the issue of divorce, which in some religions is flat out not allowed yet is nevertheless perfectly legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
It's a position based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how marriage works in this country.
The whole keeping religion out of law thing doesn't really work here, though. In theory that's how it legally should be, but religion is everywhere in politics and it always interferes with the law. Complete nonsense and everyone will admit it, but they won't vote that way.
The point is that people don't need to agree with homosexuality to acknowledge that they should have the same right to be legally recognized as a couple. It's hard to find somebody who hates homosexuality that will admit openly to you that they need to have the same right. We got into the debate in class before because we have a Catholic girl that everyone picks on because her religion is her only defense for everything she says (she doesn't think gay people should be citizens, or that Muslim kids should go to public schools, or that a Jew can marry a Christian, blah blah). Separation of religion and laws/rights is hard to achieve here.
Oh, I agree completely. My point is simply that "the law will make churches hold gay marriages against their will" is a sham of an argument. If someone wants to argue based on religion I'd rather they be straightforward about it rather than trying to drag the rights of the church into it. There is an argument, however misguided, to be made about how the majority of the public is religious and blah blah blah, but to say that it'll impede on the rights of the churches to marry who they please is just straight-out factually incorrect (there are churches holding gay marriages now that aren't legally binding, so you'd think this would be a hint that the actions of one do not require the approval of the other). One is defensible, the other is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomi
And unfortunately getting harder by the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomi