Kerry is an idiot, Bush retorts

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Originally Posted by g0zen

There's a wide gulf between flubbing a line and / or making a stupid comment and denying a scientific fact. To try and paint them as interchangeable is moronic.

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So, painting a label on someone over what are obviously religious beliefs as stupid is okay? You can present scientific facts to a religious person all day long and you're not going to convince them that you're right based on science. That, my friend, is truly moronic.

And my point, which you obviously are missing, is that Kerry would flip-flop to try to cover something that he said and blame it on a "flubbed line". At least Bush is man enough to stick to what he says instead of pandering to groups after he says something dumb and then going on a damage control mission about how to "fix" it. The subject matter of the flub is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Biff_Pocoroba

But how do we know that is what happened? Did he flub the line? Or did he say what he meant, realized nobody got it, then furiously pounded his spin team to save his ass?

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Given that the man has an elaborate history of flubbed lines and that it would be infinitely more politically adventageous for him to insult Bush than troops, I'm going to go with him flubbing the line on this. Going into a speech with a joke about stupid troops is political suicide and everyone, even Kerry, knows this. It's naive to think he'd go through with it anyway.

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Originally Posted by haohmaru

You can present scientific facts to a religious person all day long and you're not going to convince them that you're right based on science.

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And that means fuck-all when you consider that Bush was talking about what should be presented in a science class. Context matters, and given the context it was a stupid thing to say.

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Originally Posted by haohmaru

So, painting a label on someone over what are obviously religious beliefs as stupid is okay? You can present scientific facts to a religious person all day long and you're not going to convince them that you're right based on science. That, my friend, is truly moronic.

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He wasn't making a religious statement whatsoever. He was trying to say that there is some doubt about evolution's existence, there isn't. To say otherwise is to be voluntarily stupid. If he wants to say he doesn't believe in it, that's fine (still wrong), but to say that the theory itself is in question..THAT is moronic.

Any devoted Christian would've made the same argument. And, no, I'm not one of them.

You mean like..The Catholic Church? Oh wait, that's right..they already said that evolution does not conflict with their faith.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

You mean like..The Catholic Church? Oh wait, that's right..they already said that evolution does not conflict with their faith.

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Evangelicals (of which Bush is one and who the right primarily targets) put Catholics only slightly higher than child killers and cannibals.

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Evangelicals (of which Bush is one and who the right primarily targets) put Catholics only slightly higher than child killers and cannibals.

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Partially True,

The Southern Baptist's hate list is as follows

1) Fags
2) Jewish
3) Abortion Doctors and participants
4) Catholics
5) Muslims
6) Child Killers
7) Cannibals
8) Howard Stern
9) Other Southern baptists
10) French

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Originally Posted by sethsez

Evangelicals (of which Bush is one and who the right primarily targets) put Catholics only slightly higher than child killers and cannibals.

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True, but irrelevant. Haoh said 'any devoted Christian', and whatever else Catholics may be they are still Christians.