UK terror threat at Critical

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Originally Posted by nocturne

The crusades, Persecutions in Rome and other colonizations. The spanish inquisition. Tensions between the Holy Roman Empire and The Ottoman Empire. Dont forget the Jewish Flight. So many events, one more well versed in World History could probabley give some better examples.

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The Crusades are a good point but they certainly didn't kill millions. Persecutions in Rome? Not a good point to bring up if one wants to indict Christianity. Tensions b/w the Holy Roman Empire (not holy, not roman, j/k!) and the Ottomans? Still hard to reach a million deaths.

Look, I'm not defending anything here. I'm just trying to point out that the scale of slaughter in the 20th century (when godless ideologies ruled the day) dwarfs previous eras. (It should be noted that much of this is due to the fact that populations are larger in the modern era...I have no clue what the percentages are of deaths in the ancient world; it could very well be that more ppl died b/c of religion as a percentage of world pop back in the day but w/o data, it's hard to make that case - but I am totally willing to hear someone out on this.)

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Originally Posted by The_Meach

It should be noted that much of this is due to the fact that populations are larger in the modern era...I have no clue what the percentages are of deaths in the ancient world; it could very well be that more ppl died b/c of religion as a percentage of world pop back in the day but w/o data, it's hard to make that case - but I am totally willing to hear someone out on this.)

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To say nothing of the fact that it's a lot easier to kill a million people with artillery than with swords.

Anyway, I hate seeing the Nazis/Commies counterpoint brought up, because while non-belief was a part of their outlooks, they weren't fighting specifically to advance the cause of atheism - it was simply something they would be bringing to their new conquests along with the much more important* notions of Aryan supremacy/worker-controlled society.

*From their view of course, I'm not condoning Nazism or Communism.

You make a good point. I'm not bringing up my points to somehow make the case that believers in religion are pure as the driven snow. Or that atheists are the scourge of humanity (the scourge of humanity today is hardly Dawkins/Hitchens...more like fundamentalist Islam).

All of us (regardless of creed) should be watching out for our fellow man.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because Christianity used to uncivilized, doesn't justify that islamists can now slaughter away. In order to solve radicalism we have to seize the moment today, now, here, and not put current problems into a context from a 1000 years past.

Christianity may be wrong in many ways, but it brought the western world to where it is today. For that we should be grateful. Islam brought the middle-east to where IT IS today... ie. nowhere.

The core of the problem lies in islam's unwillingness to reform itself.

These days I prescribe to German sociologist Gunnar Heinsohn's solution, which is; to get out of the Middle-east and let them kill each other off:
http://sappho.dk/Nr.%206%20maj%20200...t-english.html

You are so racist against Arabs it's almost unbelievable.

1. Arabs are not a "race"...

2. I don't do Newspeak

2. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

1 - You know exactly what I meant - if you want to discuss something, don't act like I'm 5.

2 - For someone who doesn't do newspeak you sure are parroting the right pretty well. Also, I love how you think this somehow justifies your hatred of Muslims (better?).

3 - I think your love for christianity does more direct harm to me than anything Muslim, so by your logic I guess I should be trying to force a gun in your mouth. Advocating the death of entire groups is absolute bullshit.

I don't know much about this debate you guys are talking about, but that article he posted was really good.

Edit: Read up on it, I have met a number of Europeans who think quite similar to dadski.

1. Well, then don't arguing like 5 year old and stop playing the 'racist' card. The western world is under attack, I think it's fair game to discuss terrorism's roots, without stigmatizing each other with labels. What you try with your 'shaming' tactic mutes free speech, by trying to nullify the argument of your opponent.

2. squawk! I don't hate muslims, I'm just very opposed to the doctrine of islam. I have this fetisch for equality and tolerance, which I just don't see in islamic texts. What I do see in islamic texts is that women and other belief systems are inferior.

3. I don't love christianity at all. I'm atheist. I never advocated death, quite contrary, the text was about saving the lives of the coalition soldiers. It's just another way of saying "get our troops out of Iraq."

Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Destin

I don't know much about this debate you guys are talking about, but that article he posted was really good.

Edit: Read up on it, I have met a number of Europeans who think quite similar to dadski.

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He really is good. I love reading new stuff that opens your mind. After reading it, I have mentally packed my bags. I reckon I will emigrate to the Anglo-Saxon world, either Canada, New Zealand or Australia. So far Canada is on the top of my list, as they have games in NTSC format. Imagine a world without sloppy PAL ports... One can only dream...