Creepy Cat Can Predict Death

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Of course it's related. Touch implies any tactile sensation, so when you touch something that is hot, you know that it's hot. When you sweat or shiver, it is because your body is feeling heat or its absence and is responding. I don't how you can say they're not governed by the five senses and then say they're not supernatural. If they're not then what the hell are they perceived with? You've yet to answer this.

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Temperature receptors. But I didn't answer because it was irrelevant. You tell me what sense temperature receptors would fall under; it's not going to be one of the traditional five, unless you personally expand the definition of touch to include temperature perception. All that I'm saying is that the notion of only five senses is flawed. Either way, this is all just arguing over semantics.

Cool cat. Obviously it's either killing the patients itself through allergic reactions or it's just perceptive of signs that humans ignore.

Senses are just classifications of ways humans receive and collect information about the world around them. Saying hot and cold do not have anything to do with touch is the most ignorant statement I've seen on TNL in a long ass time (probably by me). Touch is any physical information the human body derives from the physical sensation/stimulation of nerves through the exterior parts of your body (hair and skin). You have the ability gather information about things being hot and cold through these means and therefore they can be classified as touch.

ESP is supernatural. Not the way thief described it though, that's intuition and just regular perception. He see's physical traits and is able to read movement and language through the way a person is behaving better than most. That's not ESP -- profilers do that every day to protect citizens, spies do it to stay alive and prevent detection and actors do it to make money for their destructive drug habits.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Yes.

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Dutifully ignored the part about the atoms I see.

So how do you account for the blind then? If they can't see it, it doesn't exist right?

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Yes, because it is.

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2000 years of eastern study and science say hello.

An aura is nothing but an electric field the body generates.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Dutifully ignored the part about the atoms I see.

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Because it has no relevance.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

So how do you account for the blind then? If they can't see it, it doesn't exist right?

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If they're blind then it's obvious one of their senses is impaired. That doesn't mean they still don't have other means of perception, and even if all of those were impaired to it doesn't change the fact that those are the only ways that a human being perceives the world. The universe does not exist subjectively in the human mind, it exists outside of us and our senses are our way of interacting with it.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

2000 years of eastern study and science say hello.

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Show me one credible study. Just one.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

An aura is nothing but an electric field the body generates.

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No, it's a cloud of bullshit that wackos generate. You do know there's an open $1 million dollar challenge to show evidence of an aura in a scientifically controlled setting? Yeah, no one's claimed it yet. You'd think after '2000 years of study and science' they'd be able to get that payday pretty quick.

Fuck cats.

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Originally Posted by Hubbitron

Fuck cats.

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Word.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Because it has no relevance.

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Meaning you have no argument. Noted.

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If they're blind then it's obvious one of their senses is impaired. That doesn't mean they still don't have other means of perception, and even if all of those were impaired to it doesn't change the fact that those are the only ways that a human being perceives the world. The universe does not exist subjectively in the human mind, it exists outside of us and our senses are our way of interacting with it.

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All you've done here is agreed with my original point in the most roundabout way possible. Being unobservable by the natural senses does not make something supernatural. It's just unobservable by the natural senses. Theta waves, X-rays, molecules and gravity are all natural phenomenons that cannot be naturally observed without the aid of artificial means.

Well okay, maybe gravity can. Shit falls down when you throw it in the air.

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Show me one credible study. Just one.

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I'm sure there are more, but I don't feel like looking for them

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No, it's a cloud of bullshit that wackos generate. You do know there's an open $1 million dollar challenge to show evidence of an aura in a scientifically controlled setting? Yeah, no one's claimed it yet. You'd think after '2000 years of study and science' they'd be able to get that payday pretty quick.

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I'm talking about a detectable bio-magnetic field not that new-age, hippy garbage.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Meaning you have no argument. Noted.

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'Atoms inside the head' isn't an argument to begin with. Your head is made of atoms, the things inside it are as well. I don't see what you're driving at.

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

Being unobservable by the natural senses does not make something supernatural.

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I didn't say that though, at all. I said that there are no special senses to detect external stimuli. Certainly there are things out there which we are unable to consciously perceive unaided, but that's not what we're discussing here at all. You were making claims about ESP, or a method of perception beyond the natural (ergo supernatural).

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

I'm sure there are more, but I don't feel like looking for them

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First of all, that's ridiculous clap-trap about Chi not auras, second of all its an un-replicated study lacking peer review. It's essentially out there in a vacuum. Show me something credible or admit you were talking out of your ass when you said it had '2000 years of science' backing it up.

Ah here we go, a good old fashion debunking taken straight from the pages of Skeptic:

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Originally Posted by Skeptic

A Japanese team [2] measured magnetic fields from the palms of 37 subjects who supposedly could emit External Qi. In three subjects only, they detected magnetic fields of 2-4mGauss in the frequency range of 4-10 Hz. This is 1000 times greater than had been previously measured in humans. In one subject, they attempted to measure the corresponding bioelectric current and found that this was not detectable. Oschman accepts this as solid evidence, without considering the obvious flaws:

-Generation of magnetic fields that strong would imply strong loop currents that would probably be enough to vaporize tissue. [3]

-They were not able to measure any current whatsoever, which would seem to indicate that the electromagnetic field was not really present.

-There is no evidence that Qi exists at all.

-It's far more likely that inadequate controls or measurement errors caused these 3/37 positive results in three of the 37 subjects.

-The experiment was done in 1992 and has never been replicated.

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There, done. Got any others?

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Originally Posted by Master of 7s

I'm talking about a detectable bio-magnetic field not that new-age, hippy garbage.

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No, that's garbage to. There is no such thing as a special bio-magnetic field.

There's going to be a Japanese horror film about this. Title: プッシー

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Originally Posted by icarusfall

I'm not going to go looking up a source, but it is a fact that people can more often than not tell if someone is looking at them without seeing that person. That isn't related to any of the 5.

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