maybe, but we both know 95% of TNL is going to do that, and the other 5% are going to schools that are going to get it for their libraries (and they still might make copies)Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonoa
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maybe, but we both know 95% of TNL is going to do that, and the other 5% are going to schools that are going to get it for their libraries (and they still might make copies)Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonoa
Right, but the only guys that'll buy this are likely not the type to share.
I'll share it with everyone but you.
this looks so damn awesome... of course, it'd be more awesome if it was affordable. :cry:
i love the book. it's one of the most helpful art books i've ever gotten. it wasn't required for my animation class, but i couldn't imagine trying to do pencil tests without it. (and who framed roger rabbit was genius. just needed to be said.)
cigs has good taste in animators. Has to be said.
Hi guys,
Good to be on this forum, pretty cool place and never heard of it until now!
Anyway, I was simply searching for feedback on the DVDs as I am one of the people who worked on them. On CGTalk, there was a thread with a lot of people concerned about the price as well and I decided to answer a few of their questions. I'll just paste the same thing here if that's OK:
Just a few more words about this set. We've just come back from the Annecy festival where we introduced the DVDs and screened segments of them. The response there has been nothing short of amazing! Thanks to all who stopped by at the stand, the screenings and the sunny space inbetween!
Obviously there were a lot of questions, and quite a few to do with the price - although none as passionate as some in this thread (with one exception) - so I feel I want to try and make a few things somewhat clearer.
First of all, this is NOT simply Richard Williams' masterclass transferred to DVD and then released as is. Apart from this representing about 50 years of experience condensed into 16 lessons, it also is several years of full time work with a team of people.
What's on there is humongous: it's the entire book, plus a 4 day masterclass, plus a whole lot more! So most of the book is animated (and beautifully so I must say!) and quite some extras because the masterclass is actually a lot subtler than the book (you get to see how not to do things as well).
Also, you get Richard himself really nailing down the principles of animation in a way that is simply impossible without actually showing it. Being a member of the team I have the privilege of seeing all this as it's being created and I can assure you the amount of knowledge this represents is mindboggling.
Going from the masterclass and the book to the DVD lessons, all the hard work is done for you, which means that we've trimmed all the fat from the material thanks in a large part to a fantastic editing job by Don Fairservice. So what you get is 16 lessons that are not only extremely efficiently presented but also equally dense. It will take you a good few viewings before you take everything in so you'll not be wasting any time there.
It doesn't stop there. ALL of the animations present in the classes are available for separate viewing on the DVD. At 24 fps. Not 25, not 29.97. Doesn't matter where you play them. And frame by frame. Those animations can be navigated using shortcuts, actually making it work more like a web page rather than the usual frustrating experience of going left - right - up - up - right to get anyplace. Animations can be looped, played back-to-back, etc. Lots of clever stuff in there to simply make sure you want to use it. It's as perfect as a learning tool as it can get and in my opinion it actually beats the book in some respects as a hands-on reference!
(Obviously ripped and recompressed copies -which we're afraid will turn up- will lose all that functionality, resulting in a very crippled version of the original. Sorry. :))
What the price is concerned people seem to stare themselves a bit blind on the non-discounted one and the one including VAT (which doesn't even apply to most people here). What is perhaps not so clear from the site, admittedly, is that bulk buy deals are available and will be looked at on an individual basis, making it possible for schools to bulk buy for their students, companies for their employees, and anyone else is free to write to enquiries@theanimatorssurvivalkit.com to find out more.
I would just like to end with the words of Neil Boyle, the other animator (aside from Richard) who worked on this. He told me that at Richard's studio, they reckoned it took people on average about 4 to 5 solid years to learn everything that was needed to go from junior assistant to senior character animator. All of that is now condensed in those 16 lessons. There is no more.
It went on for a bit longer, so if any of you would like to read the rest:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthre...9&page=3&pp=15
Hope this helps. Now I'm off reading some more of what's in this place!
Cheers,
Pieter.
Man, you guys are really "street teaming" it, huh?
It's not like they have to try too hard. I mean, just how many forums would actually care that this exists? Not that there shouldn't be more or anything...
Also, finally saw Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled. Yeah, I can see why they pulled this away from him. What animation was Williams' was absolutely insane and probably took forever. AMAZING stuff, though.
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Originally Posted by PieterVH
:lol:
Hey Cigs, do you west-coasters say "tweens" or "inbetweens"?
I am thinking everybody says "inbetweens", but do not know California habits from shit.