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Motherfucker, this is what I do for a living. Tones is not full of shit - those people are talking about nutrient quantities and differences in taste between growing organic and not. There are so many factors that aren't taken into account in that article I'm not even going to begin.
Growing food organically is really about sustainability.
It's about not contributing to the growing gulf dead zone with anhydrous ammonia.
Shut the fuck up and ask the goddamn experts here on this forum.
I don't think it needs to be an all or nothing game.
You can grow perfectly good produce without being 100% organic.
The really terrible stuff is at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum where all they care about is producing high-yield, nutrient poor crops as cheaply as possible.
That author must think that he slayed a giant by attacking the great Organic prophesy.
Look, Organic, as in certified Organic foods, only guarantee that they follow the production guidelines set out by the program. That's it. Many people have problems with Organic foods because they assume that it is a lot of things that it is not. If you buy organic meat or produce at a chain grocery store, yes, the food was probably grown on a large, commercial farm. The author seemed to feel betrayed by this, but logistically, a company with 500 stores needs suppliers that can provide a consistent quality product to many of its locations. Locally-sourced products can supplement products that are sourced from a central distribution center, but the local products are a novelty at best when at a large-scale grocer. If your objective is to source locally-produced food, go to farmers markets.
I would agree with this. Talking to one of our ranchers the other day we were discussing how his meat is not certified antibiotic free or 100% organic because if one of his cows does get ill (very rare) he will treat the cow as necessary to help the animal. I think this is the best course of action. It's like you said when people get batshit irresponsible on either side that things get fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
gotta help them moomoos, who'd just let a cow die?
I would. Then, if it were a perfect world, I would eat it.
I have no problem with cows dying. Steak tastes so good.
yeah, but you don't want it to die from a cold.
you want it to die from becoming your burgers and steaks.
Healthier, less-fucked-with cows produce better quality meat. It's a simple as that.
On a deeper level it makes being a carnivore much more tolerable knowing your dinner didn't live in terror and hardship its whole life.
I'll wager that nearly (nearly, not total) all of you haven't ever killed your own meat. Even less have done it face to face. Slit a pigs throat. Shoot a bolt through a cow's head. It'll change the way you look at consumption of meat and may put you off being a carnivore. I think at some point in early adulthood everyone should have to do this. Make a choice - are you, or aren't you, a killer?
Ignorance is delicious bliss.
I've killed fish, wasn't a big deal. But thats because I wanted to do it (and, admittedly, it wasn't very bloody). I don't want to kill cows. I only want to eat them. I have no desire to go through the gory process of slaughtering animals and it's awesome because I don't have to. When the zombies come I'm sure I'll have no problem butchering a cow, but that's because I'll damn well need to do it if I want a steak. Until then? Butchers can slay my food for me.
I fully understand your point, though. If I was forced to either slaughter animals or go vegetarian I'd probably eat a lot more potatoes. Putting that choice on a young child would be a bad thing though, I think. Children can't exactly comprehend things the way up grown ups do, and that experience would definetly have an imprint on the child for life. There isn't anything inherently wrong with eating meat.