Ace Attorney 5 (3DS digital), Ace Attorney 1+2+3 HD (iOS) Announced

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

:wtf: What percentage of a game's cost do you think is the manufacturing exactly?

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Normally, for retail's cut, maufacturing, and distribution, we're talking like $15 or so (and that's not even counting the license cost), but it's probably higher when we're talking about a proprietary cartridge format. I don't really know the exact numbers, but it seems reasonable to expect it to be a bit cheaper if they're getting a larger cut with less investment.

Retail's sort of ridiculous as a business model right now. Publishers get like $25 on a $60 game.

Do we know what Nintendo's cut of eShop purchases is? I'm guessing it's not much less than what they get for licensing and manufacturing retail games.

I think it's 30%. It's definitely a much more attractive cut than the 60% overhead that comes with retail.

I mean there's a reason they're not doing a physical release. It's cheaper.

Right, but not by as much as most people think. And if they have to cut the price on top of that, there may not be much difference left.

There's going to be a big difference if they don't. I think they'd be vastly overestimating the number of people willing to pay full retail for a download on this plaftorm.

That could be, and that's a whole different issue from the profit per copy discussion. In fact, you could argue that that is where the argument for digital only falls apart. If they make $40 - 60% = $16 per retail copy and $30 - 30% = $21 on each discounted digital copy, but they'd sell 2x the retail copies, they're idiots to sell a discounted retail copy, since they'd be losing out by a profit ratio of 32:21. Now if they could sell the same number of digital copies at $40, that would take their profit to $28 per copy and make the ratio much closer at 32:28.

I enjoyed the DS, yet I bought only one Ace Attorney game.

It was the original and only one not released amid 30-40 other titles each month. Things have changed and the portable market is a pitiful handful of 3DS and Vita games per month. Odd thing is a budging digital portable market helps the few physical releases stand out. Monster Hunter Ultimate and that shit rag X Zone did decent numbers. SMT IV outsold its PS2 prequel in the first month. And Animal Crossing...good lord. Capcom was offered the chance to stand out finally, especially in light of a Layton crossover and opted to remain obscure.

Sorry not springing retail on this.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

That could be, and that's a whole different issue from the profit per copy discussion. In fact, you could argue that that is where the argument for digital only falls apart. If they make $40 - 60% = $16 per retail copy and $30 - 30% = $21 on each discounted digital copy, but they'd sell 2x the retail copies, they're idiots to sell a discounted retail copy, since they'd be losing out by a profit ratio of 32:21. Now if they could sell the same number of digital copies at $40, that would take their profit to $28 per copy and make the ratio much closer at 32:28.

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This would assume that everyone who says they're not buying it now but would be buying it if it was a physical release would actually be buying it within the first month or two, or whatever ridiculous amount of time publishers think they're going to sell millions of copies in. After that they're just clearing out space for whatever people are paying.

I actually don't know if that's how it works. I feel like it's not the risk of not enough money from people saying they'd buy the game if it was physical, it's the risk of having a load of stock they can't move versus the cost of Nintendo's internet tubes.

Of course then you have Aksys releasing Sweet Fuse, an actual honest to God otomé game physically for a real life dead system (after they released those Hakuoki things) and Vic Ireland justifying a physical release of a game no one really wanted with what, 3,000 copies? (assuming he won't pull an ECM, but he hasn't run off to produce tv shows in California yet) I guess that's the difference between tiny companies that have to really like the products they sell and present-day Capcom.

Neogaf says the Svensson was telling a bunch of lies about Okamiden outselling Ace Attorney, so that guy really was just full of shit.

i don't know. i just love the Ace Attorney games a bunch more than i hate Capcom and i just want it to do well. :cry: i don't expect there to be any more Ace Attorney games after this one, at least not in English.

I can't wait to not buy this.

it has Ema.