Def Jam Vendetta *Official*

[sexual nougat]

why does everyone hate the license so much? while defjam is a laughable hip hop label.. i'd still get more enjoyment out of a method man vs russell simmons matchup than playing as some spandex clad jackasses

[Korly]

Originally posted by Jeremy
How is that a contradiction?

Originally posted by Jeremy
Yukes doesn't have to learn anything from Aki, everything that Aki has done, Yukes has done in their Toukon Retsuden games.

[Jeremy]

Everything HAS been done by Yukes that was done by Aki, and then some. Although each has taken different routes towards in-game character alteration.

[PKBMax]

As stupid as this license is, I guarantee it's a better playing wrestling game than the new Smackdown!

[Korly]

Which Toukon Retsuden game had PRIDE style shoot fighting matches, relpete with a point system and knockout rules? 'Cause VPW2 had 'em.

no TR game has EVER had ladder match, and no other Yukes developed game has done a good job of implementing ladder match, becuase they make it WAY to hard to set the ladder up in the proper place.

Hell, which TR game had a cage match? I sure didn't see one.

TR never had any sort of weapons system (except in TR3, if you had a guy in a very specific spot out side the ring, with his back to the GR, and full groggy, you could pull a chair and hit him once, and then throw it back to the crowd). Aki, as far back as WCW vs nWo had a weapon system, which was refined to a big degree in Revenge, and perfected by WM2k. Smackdown had a weapons system, but obviously, WCW vs nWo came way before that.

Which TR game had finishers? TR had "gold combos", which was the closest they got to finishers. How come you couldn't steal your opponents finishers in any TR games? How come in Smackdown 4, you can steal a finisher, but you can't steal their taunts?

Which TR game allows you to edit the name and appearance of the non-created characters in the game? When Glaicer became "Coach Buzz Stern" on WCW Television I was able to change him in Revenge to match that. When Val Venis joined Right to Censor in WWE/F, I was able to change him in No Mercy. Etc. Etc.

Once more, I will restate YOUR original comment...

Originally posted by Jeremy
Yukes doesn't have to learn anything from Aki, everything that Aki has done, Yukes has done in their Toukon Retsuden games.

Which I have proven to be WRONG. WRONG. WRONG!

Now, back to DJV discussion.







Dood, Ja Rule is da shizzle!

[Timber]

Played the demo today, I'll be buying this in March. WCW/NWO Revenge didn't have a CAW feature and I remember having close to a year's worth of fun with it. It's the same freking engine as VPW2/No Mercy quite bitching about the license, I happen to like it, but even if it was a Sesame Street license I'd buy this.

Best American wrestling game since No Mercy.

[Skeletor]

The license does indeed suck donkey dick. But my the game will rock. As much as I don't want to like it, the gameplay will eventually win me over. After that, everytime I see the game's title in my gaming library, I'll cringe.

[Jeremy]

Korly, there was no REASON for the TR games to have cage matches, or ladder matches, or, given the time of the games' releases, a shoot-fighting mode.

[Timber]

Originally posted by Jeremy
Korly, there was no REASON for the TR games to have cage matches, or ladder matches, or, given the time of the games' releases, a shoot-fighting mode.

um Shoot Fighting (see edit below) has been pretty popular in Japan since the early nineties. Pancrase anyone?

Dude, just admit TR is not the inovator of everything wrestling game related. They're great games but not the best in the genre, however I'm sure they're your fav and that's cool Dude.

[edit]
What you guys seem to be talking about is Mixed Martial Arts (not shoot fighting), as in Pride FC or the UFC. Shoot Fighting (or shoot style wrestling, like the mode in Virtual Pro games) is a hybrid of Wrestling and MMA and has been around in Japan for quite a while. Many real MMArtists work these They act like it's a real fight but it's "worked" like a pro wrestling match (I don't really dig it). In the Virtual Pro series (2 mainly) they kinda made it seem like it could be either but I think they intened it to be shoot wrestling.
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[Jeremy]

There was no reason for it to be there since the TR games are licensed by New Japan, which at the time of the series' life, didn't involve shoot fighting. Aki opted to branch out with their VP2 2 game and include it, which was cool since it was the first 3D game to feature shoot fighting in it. The TR game pioneered many of the things that people are loving now, and still has things that haven't been seen since. That's all I'm trying to get across. I love every wrestling game that Aki and Yukes have put out, I just give the nod to the TR games since they started it all.