Is Panzer Dragoon Orta EVER coming to Game Cube or PS2? (Even if it takes a while)

[Will]

Just going to contribute to the color thing, Vice City is pretty colorful compared to GTA3 and other games.

[youandwhosearmy]

Originally posted by kbuchanan
Swallow the pill dude. GCN > XBox in terms of cpu power. It should be obvious to most by now.

I feel like I want to punch you.


There is no doubt that Gamecube is a clever well-desgined system. Very powerful in its own right.

That being said show me some examples of games that look better then the best looking Xbox games please.



Metroid Prime loads in Segments and stores less in the Ram than Halo.
It looks that way because the developers were able to crutch the systems flaws that way.

Halo is far more impressive visually then Metroid Prime if only because of the scale they were working.

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by kbuchanan
Swallow the pill dude. GCN > XBox in terms of cpu power. It should be obvious to most by now.

Pass the pipe, man. I don't think the GC is as underpowered as many do, but there isn't a chance in hell it is "obvious" that it is more powerful either.

[Will]

While I'm not going to say the Gamecube is as powerful as the X-Box, I think Panzer Dragoon Orta can be done on the Gamecube. As mentioned by Johnpv and other people in threads, Star Wars Rogue leader is one of the Gamecube games still leading in graphical quality as well as Metroid Prime and Resident Evil.

[piku]

Pass the pipe, man. I don't think the GC is as underpowered as many do, but there isn't a chance in hell it is "obvious" that it is more powerful either.

Yeah, but point to one Xbox game that makes it "obvious" it is more powerful than the Gamecube.

On paper, the Xbox should be killing both the Gamecube and Playstation 2, but it's not. There are no games that just flat out prove the Xboxes technical superiority. I thought maybe it was just a first or second year thing, and once things got rolling there would be a much bigger difference, but even that isn’t the case. Look at Halo 2 - when they first released that teaser video I was psyched to see just what was in store for the Xbox in the next few years. Needless to say I was more than disappointed when I saw that the graphics are basically Halo but with just a few more polygons here and there.

Stuff like that simply shouldn’t happen on the Xbox, and I really would love to know why it is.

[SonofdonCD]

Originally posted by piku
Yeah, but point to one Xbox game that makes it "obvious" it is more powerful than the Gamecube.

On paper, the Xbox should be killing both the Gamecube and Playstation 2, but it's not. There are no games that just flat out prove the Xboxes technical superiority. I thought maybe it was just a first or second year thing, and once things got rolling there would be a much bigger difference, but even that isn’t the case. Look at Halo 2 - when they first released that teaser video I was psyched to see just what was in store for the Xbox in the next few years. Needless to say I was more than disappointed when I saw that the graphics are basically Halo but with just a few more polygons here and there.

Stuff like that simply shouldn’t happen on the Xbox, and I really would love to know why it is.

Technically, they are using LESS polygons, not more. Interviews said they were able to make more detailed models with less, so hopefully this means more stuff onscreen, which could equate to EVEN MORE MAYHEM!!! (That last part's mere speculation on my part. Can't a Halo nut dream? )

But seriously, Metroid Prime isn't the best looking game ever. A lot of the textures aren't very detailed and the game is mostly in corridors (not big open outside areas like Halo), so I honestly think the game could look BETTER. Not that I'm asking for it, cause I have NO problem with the graphics. (the special effects make up for just about any graphical faults IMHO) Just being purely honest here. Halo still looks more impressive to me, it's specifically more detailed in the textures and all that cool bump-mapping.

I'm not criticizing the GC or anything, but I've yet to see something that proves that it's more powerful. That being said, there should be no arguing that the potential for greatest graphics should go to X-box. Since that's all we've got to go on (because the games are pretty equal) I'll tend to believe MS on this one.

But if anything, when Doom III makes its appearance, it might just be the proof we need.

On the topic at hand, I hope Orta stays on X-box, unless one other condition is met: It can be ported with NO COMPROMISES to any part of the game, Graphics or otherwise. And since we're not a part of Smilebit, none of us knows if that is actually possible. (speculation is fun, but ultimately pointless, and it can lead to crappy threads like this one ) Judging by the demo is so unfair, considering that it's only the first of ten levels, and from several impressions the game gets OH SO MUCH better looking later on. At least wait until you've seen the ENTIRE game before making any further assumptions.

Just FOUR MORE DAYS!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!

[MechDeus]

Needless to say I was more than disappointed when I saw that the graphics are basically Halo but with just a few more polygons here and there.

They're doing some crazy stuff with bump-mapping. I can't scan it, but a couple issues ago in EGM they showed the jeep without and with bump-mapping. The difference is really amazing, it's where the treads on the tires and all the detail comes from.

Halo 2 looks to be on about the same level as Planetside in 640x480 when released.

[Tracer]

The lighting makes Halo 2 look 10 tons better, if the video is any indication, and yeah... the bump-mapping is leauges better this time and the progressive models make for a higher poly character close up, but less at a distance. On average - I think they would say - the game maybe does just as much tesselation as the previous. But well see when it hits shelves.

ºTracer

[AaronChance]

Bump mapping is something you only appreciate when it's not there, like whenever I play a PS2 port right after playing a good xbox exclusive. There's a moment or two where my graphics whore sense freezes me in place like a deer caught in headlights.

[Den]

Yeah, but point to one Xbox game that makes it "obvious" it is more powerful than the Gamecube.

Panzer Dragoon Orta. Episode 6 is one of the most amazing scenes that I've ever had the joy of playing through. Episode 4 throws much in the way of enemies, various hues of transparent clouds with shades of lighting, particle effets, smoke effects, and detailed to the hilt battleships without a severe frame rate drop (if it does drop I sure as hell didn't notice it), real time cut scenes that are extremely detailed, 60fps, and this is just the stuff I can think of at the moment.

Can the Gamecube do a picture perfect port of Panzer Dragoon Orta? In my opinion, no it can not. The only Gamecube game that has impressed me graphically (but not technically) is Zelda. Smilebit has managed to do on Xbox what few other companies have done with the hardware. Create a product that effectively uses stunning art in addition to using the hardware effects the Xbox is capable of. The problem with most Xbox games is that the developers go gung ho on the effects while the actual look of the game is lacking or is just down right fucking ugly (IMO). Thankfully, Orta doesn't have this problem.

I don't understand why some Gamecube owners are constantly up in arms about what the Xbox can or can not do as far as graphics. Metroid Prime looks good as a GC product (I guess), and PDO is a graphically stunning Xbox product (IMO). Why can't it be as simple as that? Instead of Xbox owners needing to prove why the Xbox is a graphic whores dream, how about the Gamecube patrol tell us what Gamecube games can satisfy the little graphics whore that resides in all of us?

My Xbox graphic whore awards go to HOTD3 (best looking LGS at the moment), PDO ( ) JSRF (artwise IMO) and Wreckless (best tech demo that you can buy).