Good fucking lord, get that Ugly thing off the boards. AHHHHHH MY EYES ARE MELTING AHHHHHHHHOriginally posted by Aurora
Jesus looks like this...
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Jesus looks like this...
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I took all your French Toast.
Good fucking lord, get that Ugly thing off the boards. AHHHHHH MY EYES ARE MELTING AHHHHHHHHOriginally posted by Aurora
Jesus looks like this...
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I know men walked with dinosaurs, didn't you guys see the documentary Jurassic Park 1, 2 and 3??
I'm not supporting or condoning anything he said, but I do think I understand this point somewhat.Originally posted by Dolemite
Bullshit. The word of god means nothing to me or anyone I know and we're all fine. If you want to believe in god or Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, fine, but don't you dare say that anyone that doesn't is probably morally corrupt. A good upbringing with loving parents can do just as good, if not better. You're sounding more and more like Hitler all the time, mein furher.
The whole idea of morals is based in religion--whether it is "Christianity" I'm not sure (remember Jesus was a Jew). The basic laws saying this is good this is bad, evolved from religious texts -- stelaing is wrong because though shall not steal, etc...
So what I get out of this is that yes you can have morals with no current belief in God whatsoever, but the foundation of morality is based in religion and that is something that cannot be changed. This country's founding fathers created the laws of this country using religion as a guide.
Now, as far as fear of God -- God and Jesus are two different entities -- a lot of people disregard this --anyway, God was a vengeful person and he makes that clear in the Old Testament -- he destroyed that world and afterwards vowed never to do it again -- he then sent Jesus to save us after we royally screwed up -- Jesus is a much different person than God and when they speak of fear as related to Jesus, yes you should be aware of his power, but fear mean something different -- he isn't trying to scare you -- it is something more along respect...the bible uses a lot of words that no longer have the same meaning...
Finally, please separate priests and other humans who have done horrible acts in the name of God from the Bible and the people in it. We are humans and humans are the ones who are doing these terrible things, not Jesus or God...and not all priests are bad...many devote their entire lives to their faith without ever really knowing what a family is (atleast the type we are used to).
Jesus was a good man--I ask you to read the bible --ignore what missionaries and preachers, etc. tell you--just read the bible and understand what type of person Jesus was and then make a judgement whether you hate him or the religions that promote him -- that's the thing that gets me --many of you can't separate the two --Jesus did not rape little boys, he does not tell people to kill other people, etc...
Believe what you want to believe and live how you want to live...some of us need God in our lives to make it that much more meaningful...we do what we want to do, God or Jesus does not make us do anything -- he leaves us to our own devices--this is our world...he's simply there to guide those of us who ask.
Is this still a religous discussion? I have no qualms with such a debate but it makes the title of the thread rather deceptive...
So if it wasnt for religion, then we wouldnt have morals? I have to disagree with that. Dont you think people would get pissed of if theor stuff got stolen or a family member killed? The fact that the 10 comandments are the basic does and donts mean nothing. Killing and stealing are wrong cause it pisses other people off and causes them harm. If a man never heard of God and knew nothing of the teachings of the bible, he would still not want to have his things stolen from him.So what I get out of this is that yes you can have morals with no current belief in God whatsoever, but the foundation of morality is based in religion and that is something that cannot be changed. This country's founding fathers created the laws of this country using religion as a guide.
Blame the man, not the maker.
I find it hillarious that when you see an article claiming 'Doom made me do it,' common sense wins and everyone KNOWS that the poor sap is just screwed up. No one made him do ANYTHING.
Yet, a priest fondles little boys and, lo and behold, God is to blame. Like ssbomberman said, corruption and wrongdoing is everywhere, and taking those done in a religious text to attack the religion would be just as bad as taking those done with a videogame text just to attack videogames. Or heck, if nothing 'made me do it,' then you could use that as a gateway to attack anyone with a logical, non-religious, humanitarian stance on morals. Afterall, how can you have faith in the decency of humanity when proof of it's corruption sits right in your face?
Then again, that's if you want to go around pointing the blame for action on anything other than the individual's own choice. If you want to say 'God made me do it' then you have to except 'Doom made me do it' as well.
Which I don't, so I can't. Not one way or the other.
kof, that was awesome man. Here's my take on this whole thing, a man is responsible for his own actions. A woman is just as responsible for her own actions (that ties into what this thread WAS about.) If they fuck up, then they fucked up. I don't think some divine force would waste their time making sure that certain people fucked up.
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