The Victory Thread

[Stone]

Originally posted by Almaci
How about the claims of the millitary that the tank that attacked the Palestine hotel was responding to sniper fire and grenade launcher attacks from the hotel while every journalist there claims there were no attacks originating from there whatsoever?

The article was:

"A Reuters journalist, Taras Protsyuk, 35, a Ukrainian national, who who was married with an eight-year-old son, died today after his hotel was struck by a US tank round.

"Taras's death, and the injuries sustained by the others, were so unnecessary," said Reuters' editor in chief Geert Linnebank.

He called into question the "judgement of advancing US troops who have known all along that this hotel is the main base for almost all foreign journalists in Baghdad."

Reuters has its offices on the 15th floor of the Palestine Hotel which houses most of the foreign media covering the Iraq war.

The 15th and 17th floors of the hotel were struck, blowing out windows as fierce exchanges raged on the 20th day of the US-led war.

The 14th floor was also damaged. A hole had been knocked in the hotel facade, laying bare the metal structure of a column running past a balcony.

Dubai's Al-Arabiya television channel said its bureau on the 17th floor also suffered damage.

General Buford Blount, commander of the US 3rd Infantry Division said a US tank was "receiving fire from the hotel, RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) and small-arms fire, and engaged with one tank round. The firing stopped."

But BBC correspondent Rageh Omar cast doubt on the US line saying he heard no gunfire from the hotel prior to it being hit."

I mean, I know you're going to play fast and loose with the facts, being that you're an asshole, but come on - even you know that in the English language there's a difference between the meanings of "BBC correspondent Rageh Omar cast doubt on the US line saying he heard no gunfire from the hotel prior to it being hit." and "every journalist there claims there were no attacks originating from there whatsoever".

Aren't agents of the Information Ministry broadcasting from below the hotel?

I'll trust the CIA (claiming fire was emitting from both positions) and American soldiers over a bunch of Islamofascist-supporting journalists and a blind idiot like you.

[frostwolf ex]

Originally posted by Stone


I'll trust the CIA (claiming fire was emitting from both positions) and American soldiers over a bunch of Islamofascist-supporting journalists and a blind idiot like you.

[Almaci]

Ah yes, propaganda should be one sided right?
When the US military and Quwait were talking about Scud missiles being fired at quwait it was Al Jazeera that contested it, when Fox and JPost wrote about the SMOKING GUN chemical factory it was Al Jazeera that contested it, if it wasnt for them the US government wouldve gotten away with their propaganda and media outlets in the west would have never contested the language used and unverified reports brought forward by the US and UK.
Al Jazeera does show both sides(Powell for instance was interviewed a few days ago)and all western media outlets buy Al Jazeera footage all the time becouse they actually do what a news network is supposed to do.

Have you ever actually watched Al Jazeera?

And yes I do believe Al Jazeera is being targeted deliberatly.
They were attacked in Afghanistan, they were attacked in Basra where they reported that there was no uprising while coalition forces were claiming there was(a claim they had to retract several times, they were attacked on the road in a car clkearly labeled as being press and now in Baghdad again.

Al Jazeera is one of the few networks showing the actual horrors of war on both sides.
Then again thats not appreciated since US PR wants this to be a clean war.

[Clash!]

Its obvious guys, Almaci just cares more. We are scum. I just wish he would mop up some of the blood thats pours out of his heart.

[Stone]

Yes, I have watched Al Jazeera, before, the web feed, and I read the English-language version when their technicians can get it online.

Eh, fuck it - anyone reading this thread, keep an eye on http://english.aljazeera.net. Check out that link to Al Jazeera editorial cartoons I posted.

Another of Jazeera's Baghdad correspondents Majed Abdel Hadi called the U.S. missile strike and Ayoub's death a "crime".

"I will not be objective about this because we have been dragged into this conflict," he said, visibly upset. "We were targeted because the Americans don't want the world to see the crimes they are committing against the Iraqi people."

If you believe that, then, eh, good for you.

Almaci isn't a bleeding heart liberal - I know bleeding heart liberals, and they actually, genuinely care. They choose positions that do more harm than good, but they're actually good people.

Almaci is a hateful bastard who supports terrorism and dictatorship - and he displays his willful ignorance on this board on a regular basis. Positions like his aren't motivated by a desire to care for the poor, like they are with true bleeding heart liberals - he's propelled by venom and hatred.

Liberal's not even the right word - communist, islamofascist. How about "Bleeding Stump Islamofascist"?

[Almaci]

stone:IC so now journalists from countries supporting the war and even supplying troops are considered Islamo fascist?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2928153.stm

Sky TV reporter David Chater said: "One of the tanks had its barrel pointed up at the building. We went inside and there was an almighty crash, a huge explosion that shook the hotel."

BBC correspondents and other journalists who were in the building at the time said they heard no fire coming from the hotel.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2528603
But reporters at the scene disputed this account.

"I never heard a single shot coming from any of the area around here, certainly not from the hotel," British Sky television's correspondent David Chater said.

"In all the three weeks I have worked from this hotel I have not heard a single shot fired from here and I have not seen a single armed person enter the hotel," Swiss television correspondent Ulrich Tilgner said in a report from the hotel.

"FIRED ON FROM HOTEL"

U.S. Brigadier General Vincent Brooks, spokesman for Central Command war headquarters in the Gulf state of Qatar, said:

"Reports indicate the coalition force operating near the hotel took fire from the lobby of the hotel and returned fire."

But when asked why the tank hit a floor so high up, he said: "I may have misspoken on exactly where the fire came from."

[Stone]

Originally posted by Almaci
stone:IC so now journalists from countries supporting the war and even supplying troops are considered Islamo fascist?

YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THIS STUPID.

Islamofascist-supporting journalists

A journalist who supports islamofascism is an "islamofascist-supporting journalist", yeah, ass. "Journalists from countries supporting the war" aren't necessarily islamofascists...UNLESS THEY SUPPORT ISLAMOFASCISM, through word or deed.

He told a briefing Iraqi fighters were using all kinds of civilian buildings like the hotel for cover as they fought:

"When we potentially take fire from those locations, decisions have to be made at a very low tactical level.

"This coalition does not target journalists so anything that has happened...would always be considered as an accident."

He said: "Baghdad is a dangerous location."

Finish off the quote of the Brigadier general.

To anyone following this debate - please check Almaci's sources and read the entire article he links to, before trusting in any quotes that he applies. He has a tendency to cut out chunks of dialogue at wildly opportunistic times. (Check everyone's sources, for that matter).

[spacecowboy]

More attacks on Almaci. You people are a joke. He's made a pretty good argument in my opinion. Personally, I'd rather see the horrors of war instead of turning on the TV and have CNN, Fox and all those others trying to make me feel good about all this. Edward R. Murrow is turning over in his grave right now.

SC

[Almaci]

I can hardly start to quote entire articles so yah I do what most do and quote the parts that are relevant to my argumentation.

Then we have this from you:I'll trust the CIA (claiming fire was emitting from both positions) and American soldiers over a bunch of Islamofascist-supporting journalists and a blind idiot like you.

My reaction to that: So every journalist who has reacted to the events who was actually there is Islamo Fascist then?
They all say that no there was no fire originating from the hotel.
Check it with my previous post, who is making sense here, you or me?
Youre the one calling Spanish, Portuguese, Swiss, British etcetera journalists islamofascists.

Furthermore youre doing the exact same thing you always do when you are losing an argument, insult me that is.

You did it when I disputed the scud claims, you did it when I even dared to sugest for confirmation on the chemical factory, you did it in previous threads concerning the Israeli/Palestine conflict and youre doing it again.

Youre in the defensive, something youre not used to being in since hey youre the smart guy who pushes others in the defense and you cant deal with the fact that youre outclassed so like a good lil caveman youre aggresive instincts get the better of you and you attack me personaly.

I pitty you.

[Stone]

Your opinion's wrong, man. I think you're a good guy, but Almaci's made a past-time of making wildly accusatory, baseless claims about the motives of the US government, and it's blatantly obvious that he takes joy every time something terrible happens to coalition forces. His distaste for the war and his support for Middle Eastern terrorism seem to have basically shut down his ability to judge the news objectively. He can't argue, he can't write, he quotes with the soul of a liar, he takes pissy little shots at other people that aren't even funny or entertaining, he's got a lame sense of humor, he takes a sort of hypocritical "shame-on-you" sense the moment he perceives some sort of negativity being turned back upon him, umm...I think that's it.

One good thing - I feel pretty confident that his conduct has helped to push some of the people on the board towards a stronger pro-liberation, pro-war position, so he's got that going for him.