The Victory Thread

[Almaci]

Originally posted by Stone
Your opinion's wrong, man. I think you're a good guy, but Almaci's made a past-time of making wildly accusatory, baseless claims about the motives of the US government, and it's blatantly obvious that he takes joy every time something terrible happens to coalition forces. His distaste for the war and his support for Middle Eastern terrorism seem to have basically shut down his ability to judge the news objectively. He can't argue, he can't write, he quotes with the soul of a liar, he takes pissy little shots at other people that aren't even funny or entertaining, he's got a lame sense of humor, he takes a sort of hypocritical "shame-on-you" sense the moment he perceives some sort of negativity being turned back upon him, umm...I think that's it.

One good thing - I feel pretty confident that his conduct has helped to push some of the people on the board towards a stronger pro-liberation, pro-war position, so he's got that going for him.

Cute.

Nevermind the fact that I always build on my arguments by quoting youre own press, nevermind the fact that I constantly maintained that every single person who dies in conflict is one too many regardles of their convictions, nevermind the fact that I constantly ask people to decide for themselves and look at both sides.

Im a no good blind terrorist supporting Islamofascist communist who has no feelings towards annything or annyone.
Why?
Dude Stone said so, what more proof do you need?

You sunk to a new low Stone.

[Stone]

Originally posted by Almaci
Furthermore youre doing the exact same thing you always do when you are losing an argument, insult me that is.

You did it when I disputed the scud claims, you did it when I even dared to sugest for confirmation on the chemical factory, you did it in previous threads concerning the Israeli/Palestine conflict and youre doing it again.

Youre in the defensive, something youre not used to being in since hey youre the smart guy who pushes others in the defense and you cant deal with the fact that youre outclassed so like a good lil caveman youre aggresive instincts get the better of you and you attack me personaly.

I pitty you.

You're doing the same thing you always do when you're losing an argument, complain about being insulted, that is.

You did it when you were criticized for denying out-of-hand every new advancement the Coalition makes, you do it in every Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and you're doing it again.

You're in the defensive, something you're hopefully used to, since you're a dumbass who can't argue or communicate well enough to put other people on the defense. You probably can deal with the fact you're outclassed, since I'm guessing you make a habit of being outclassed - like a good little bitch, when you can't communicate, you whine about personal attacks and appeal for pity from the rest of the members of this board.

I'm rubber, you're glue, what you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

Stop this stupid "poor Almaci" bullshit, try to fabricate a real argument, start reading from a wider variety of news sources, and grow the fuck up.

[spacecowboy]

Originally posted by Stone
You're doing the same thing you always do when you're losing an argument, complain about being insulted, that is.

You did it when you were criticized for denying out-of-hand every new advancement the Coalition makes, you do it in every Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and you're doing it again.

You're in the defensive, something you're hopefully used to, since you're a dumbass who can't argue or communicate well enough to put other people on the defense. You probably can deal with the fact you're outclassed, since I'm guessing you make a habit of being outclassed - like a good little bitch, when you can't communicate, you whine about personal attacks and appeal for pity from the rest of the members of this board.

I'm rubber, you're glue, what you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

Stop this stupid "poor Almaci" bullshit, try to fabricate a real argument, start reading from a wider variety of news sources, and grow the fuck up.

Stone, as some might say on this board, you've been "owned!" That is the most 3rd grade retort I've ever heard on this board. My g/f is laughing at you as we speak. So am I.

SC

[Stone]

Originally posted by Almaci
Nevermind the fact that I constantly maintained that every single person who dies in conflict is one too many regardles of their convictions.

Im a no good blind terrorist supporting Islamofascist communist who has no feelings towards annything or annyone.

"Every single person who dies in conflict" is not "one too many" - that's your problem. You look at an Iraqi woman dying, and think it too much, while ignoring the untold tales of thousands of Iraqis dying under Hussein's control. A suicide bomber kills 5 civilians, and then Israelis kill a group of people, 15 militants hiding amongst 10 civilians, and you call it state-supported terror. America supports an evil man while taking on the USSR, and you ignore the huge number of possible casualties that could've been caused by the USSR had we not done what we done, and you focus on the smaller number of real casualties - using that to claim that our government is run by murderers.

The BBC, Reuters, are both strongly pro-war newspapers - yeah, it's better than you quoting from Al Jazeera, but you're still quoting from papers more than sympathetic to your side. I quote from the BBC and the Guardian - makes a big difference.

You're ignorant - you can't see any further than beyond your face when it comes to international politics, and you're blinded by your loyalties to systems that do more harm than good to many thousands of people.

Originally posted by spacecowboy
Stone, as some might say on this board, you've been "owned!" That is the most 3rd grade retort I've ever heard on this board. My g/f is laughing at you as we speak. So am I.

SC

The point was for it to be juvenile - as juvenile as his response.

The rubber-is-glue thing didn't tip you off?

[Almaci]

Stone you seem to forget that i too fell for the Basra and Umm Qasr have fallen claims of the first few days, I even expressed the fact that I was happy that things seemed to be going so smooth as the sooner this was over with with few casualties the better.
Those were my words, so where you get the gall to put words in my mouth saying the opposite to claim things wich you cant substantiate is beyond me.

IC so how have my responses been juvenile?
Who started hurling insults and who reacted calmly and with reports from BBC and Reuters?
Find me a single instance where I quoted Al Jazeera.
And tell me what are my loyalties you speak of?
Am I loyal to saddam´s reign of terror?
No I have been opposed to that asshole as long as I can remember, I have been opposed to his reign back when Rumsfeld shook his hand and called him a great friend, I have been opposed to him when he gassed halabya and the CIA covered up for him by blaming Iran(yes the same CIA who now claims the attacks on the press were not deliberate).
Am I loyal to my home country?
No im not, im doing my best to dodge my draft legaly.
Tell me when did I claim youre government is run by murderers?
Please answer my questions, ive answered yourse and backed up my points.

dont just insult and acuse me, iff you really feel that im the demon you make me out to be surely you should have no problem proving youre point beyond demanding others follow youre feelings towards me becouse you said so.

PS Stone, my offer to meet up when im over next month still stands, ill pay for lunch.

[YellerDog]

Welcome to Round 35 of The Price is Wrong, Bitch!

Calling it as I see it:

Stone sees both sides, but chooses to be pro-war. He also chooses to be an asshole about it.

Almaci is anti war, and, though aware of two sides, only sees his. Almaci is an asshole.

Space Cowboy is smug, and anti war. Incidentally, also an asshole.

Carter, though missing from this round, is a true class-act. He's pro-war, and has a tendency to shoot a fade-away jumper of well read political opinion. Still an asshole.

Let's see how this next round unfolds...

[Jimmy Carter]

Originally posted by spacecowboy
More attacks on Almaci. You people are a joke. He's made a pretty good argument in my opinion. Personally, I'd rather see the horrors of war instead of turning on the TV and have CNN, Fox and all those others trying to make me feel good about all this. Edward R. Murrow is turning over in his grave right now.

SC

"You people"? I find it funny how your opinion of attacks doesn't include calling people "stupid" flat out. You completely glossed over Almaci's name calling to judge everyone else according to Stone's comments.

I didn't call Almaci any names, nor did I attack him.

And until you can show unbiased reasoning in your judgement on "attacks" I suggest you refrain from doing so.

Originally posted by Almaci
Ah yes, propaganda should be one sided right?

Propaganda is one-sided. That's why it's called propaganda.

[spacecowboy]

Originally posted by YellerDog
Welcome to Round 35 of The Price is Wrong, Bitch!

Calling it as I see it:

Stone sees both sides, but chooses to be pro-war. He also chooses to be an asshole about it.

Almaci is anti war, and, though aware of two sides, only sees his. Almaci is an asshole.

Space Cowboy is smug, and anti war. Incidentally, also an asshole.

Carter, though missing from this round, is a true class-act. He's pro-war, and has a tendency to shoot a fade-away jumper of well read political opinion. Still an asshole.

Let's see how this next round unfolds...

If Stone saw both sides, he wouldn't always label everything Almaci says as biased lies. How exactly is the Guardian pro-war? They seem to give ample coverage to both sides and that's why I like them so much.

Almaci can be a little over the top sometimes, but I'd get a little tired of everyone saying that what I post is propagand too. Wait, I do. Anyways, if Stone sees both sides then Almaci sure as hell does. Of course he leans toward anti-war, just as much as Stone leans toward pro-war. We have plenty of people telling us how good this war will be. Almaci represents the person willing to see the bad stuff so as to remind us that this isn't going to be squeaky clean.

I am smug. So sue me. I am anti-war. I'll never adopt the idea that things are so out of control that we have to use bombs and guns to fix them. And yeah, I'm an asshole too. I do give credence to the pro-war side, however. When Stone and Carter post articles that support their side, I'm fine with it. But when they refuse to see another side or a little more detail, then I get uppity.

Carter is no class-act. He's just as much a biased asshole as the rest of us.

SC

[Jimmy Carter]

Originally posted by spacecowboy
But when they refuse to see another side or a little more detail, then I get uppity.

There is a difference between seeing/accepting another side and embracing another side. And this is where you seem to confuse the two.

I see your side. I just don't agree. I see that you're worried about civilian casualties, you're worried about world opinion, you dislike the use of force, etc, etc. I see it all.

But my opinion stands.

And because of this, I am labeled as not seeing the other side. No, this isn't even remotely true. I've already thought it out and I feel, as everyone does, that I have chosen my opinion wisely. Everyone thinks their opinion is the best, otherwise they wouldn't take it.

I've seen your side. I've accepted your side. I've not failed in my debate.

[Clash!]

Originally posted by spacecowboy
I'll never adopt the idea that things are so out of control that we have to use bombs and guns to fix them.

Do you really think that talking to Saddam would have gotten anything done? The whole regime is showing their absurd maddness as this war goes on. They are lunatics, and its all fuled by Saddam. I mean they are trying to convince people that there are no Coalition troops in Baghdad, and this was being said as Coalition troops were driving tanks right by the building. You can't talk to this regime. The only choices were to move in and attack, or wait for Saddam to die and then put one of his equaly horrid sons in charge, and then we would be in the same mess.